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Re: Type 071 LPD I'm partial to light naval SAM systems that can be easily installed (on ships like the 071). The French Mistral system is popular world-wide, you can see the 6-cel Sadral launcher version on the aft deck of the Royal Thai Navy's Chakri Naruebet below (see right corner)...
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Remember that the Chinese military plans to primarily use long-range missiles launched from mainland China for targets in the 1st Island Chain. If you run the costs for targets here, it's significantly cheaper to use a truck and somewhat bigger land-based missiles, rather than use the VLS cells on a Destroyer.
In comparison, the US barely has any long-range missiles and has to transport those missiles all the way from Hawaii or the continental USA. So US destroyers have to have more VLS cells dedicated to land-attack and anti-ship.
In addition, Chinese ships can return to relatively close ports nearby in mainland China to reload any type of missile
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So on a tactical level, I don't think there should be too much difference in SAM loadouts between the Type-052D and the Burkes
In any case, you can afford to buy more Type-052Ds for the same money than a larger ship with more VLS cells like the Type-055.
Doing this increases the number of SAM platforms and therefore the duration of any SAM engagement, which increases the probability of success.
Plus at the campaign level, the SAMs/missiles will run out first, leaving you with a bunch of a destroyers without weapons
So it might be more effective to save money by buying smaller Type-052Ds instead of Type-055.
And then use those savings ($450? Million) to buy a whole lot more missiles instead
The video has been taken offline now, so could you expand on this?
I've previously theorised on the forum that Okinawa would be possible in the future
But in any case, the Miyajima Islands do look very vulnerable, if Japan decides to join the US in a war against China
And the military balance looks like it will shift even further in the Western Pacific.
My base scenario (a Chinese increase in military spending from 1.7% to 2.5%) sees the 30year stock of advanced weapons in China double in the space of 7 years from 2022-2029. Then there would be another 50% increase in the 6 year period from the 2029-2035. There's a whole bunch of assumptions here, but you get the idea
So even if Japan doubles military spending and the US arms up somewhat to 4% of GDP, the military balance will continue to shift sharply in China's favour in the Western Pacific
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If I had been on the stream, I would have asked about Shaheed-136 loitering munitions essentially being flying JDAMs that can slowly fly 2000km to their targets. They look about the same cost and have similar weight/payloads (500lb) and guidance systems.
IIRC Patch asserts that success of an military operahion is a function of the capability of one's system, the amount one has, and how one uses it.
Me? I think he has a point. While "institutional knowledge" is a rather nebulous thing, it's real in the sense that it is knowledge that is passed down by word-of-mouth, stuff that is never written down because a lot of it comes down to TLAR (that looks about right). It is not a thing that will win wars, rather, it is the thing that will keep your machine running. I am sure people here have seen plenty of this, where some random old guy retires and suddenly the entire place falls apart because no one actually knows how the system works in real-life condition.
I don't think they want to talk about the current Russo-Ukrainian conflict.
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@AndrewS .. Vietnamese economy is 45x smaller than China ($409B vs 18.3T) ... and Vietnamese military spending is 53x smaller ($5.5B vs $293B according to SIPRI 2022)
Patch talks a little heatedly about how the US's institutional knowledge is of overstressing their CSGs just because of some OFRP cycle trying to get readiness rates up and having a bunch of sailors suicide because they're miserable and trapped for months aboard a prison. That the US's institutional knowledge is just fucking around in 5th Fleet and having SWOs (Surface Warfare Officers) become division heads. SWOs not learning to drive the ship, etc. just acting like admin staff aboard. Warfighting Flotilla in Center of International Maritime Security had a whole discussion about how SWO knowledge is eroded significantly. The US has started to try to address this the 2020-2021 reforms (command structure, etc. reorganization).
The US hasn't been doing much for the past 30 years institutionally as opposed to China which has been preparing for decades for a fight with the US. Complains about how they've spent all theirtime in 5th Fleet doing Counter-Terrorism nonsense instead. He notes that it's all about the training you do, the equipment you field, and systems you put together. Shooting at people doesn't make institutional knowledge.
A US-China war would be an Air-Naval war and the US hasn't had experience with that sort of thing. The best they've had is off of Yemen or North Africa were there were maybe a couple of munitions fired at them that had to potential to hit. The US (or anyone for that matter) has never had to fight in high intensity electronic warfare or engage in large scale Electro Magnetic Spectrum Operations (EMSO).
Toaster follows up with talking about the problems in the US Navy NCO culture. Senior NCOs (Chiefs) force people to work 6+ days a week until people suicide or the ship is in port for maintenance. They'll constantly threaten you, deny you sleep, pulling you on ship when you're supposed to be on leave, etc. The antagonism between junior enlisted/officers and the Chiefs is well known and the USN has a huge class/culture divide between the two - probably the widest of any of the services.
Later on Patch talks about the British/etc. pilots going to China to train. They do impart some institutional knowledge there about stuff that happens maybe once in a blue moon and would be hard to find out without loads of experience.
Basically institutional knowledge exists, but it's not a meaningful advantage the US enjoys over China.
Honestly the USN culture and problems I'm hearing sound similar to the sorts the IJN had in the lead up to WW2.
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The USN is one branch which has been out of battle since the Vietnam War. So they try out the remaining thing - they wage war against their own soldiers.
No it really didn't feel like a troll. He actually mentioned what went down in the J-20 thread right at the time when he was referring to it being significantly superior to all US combat aircraft in the podcast, and in a way that made it clear he isn't trolling.
He said that despite believing the J-20 is better than all combat aircraft, its ridiculous that him making an admission here that the F-22 is superior in TACAIR caused so many people to take personal offense.
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