China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

[gelgoog]

You shouldn't expand military budgets too quickly since this will lead to graft and corruption. It is better to let production expand gradually.

 

[lgnxz]

Not enough.

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This worthless western garbage deliberately plays out the fearmongering tactic in the headline by putting the "7.1%, fastest in 3 years" with zero context. What's actually happening is that contrary to the typical perception about a militaristic china from them, china is laughably way too pacifist, even with the 7.1% nominal increase of the defence spending, it would still sum up in a grand total of 1.27% of the 2021 18.1 trillion dollars GDP, which means it'd go even comically lower if we later use the 2022 GDP as a comparison!

China would have 400 billion dollars defence budget if it's as 'peaceful' as india if it has the same spending percent-wise of the GDP, 600 billion if it's as '''peaceful''' as the american. The term of "fastest in 3 years" is also a big joke since the economy growths 12.8% nominally last year, 8.1% inflation adjusted, which is still higher than the 7.1% nominal growth in defence. In conclusion, not only the percentage in comparison of the GDP is already so low, each year it's also comically getting lower! This have been the case for decades already, as the defence spending can't keep up with the economic growth.

Just remember this point whenever some of you are trying to surface the possibility of a military reunification against taiwan or challenging the yanks in the pacific/island chains in the near future. I honestly doubt the seriousness of the current CPC leadership in seeing the importance and urgency of the issues, as they keep on downplaying and postponing on solving those problems further and further into the future.

 

[clockwork]

This worthless western garbage deliberately plays out the fearmongering tactic in the headline by putting the "7.1%, fastest in 3 years" with zero context. What's actually happening is that contrary to the typical perception about a militaristic china from them, china is laughably way too pacifist, even with the 7.1% nominal increase of the defence spending, it would still sum up in a grand total of 1.27% of the 2021 18.1 trillion dollars GDP, which means it'd go even comically lower if we later use the 2022 GDP as a comparison!

China would have 400 billion dollars defence budget if it's as 'peaceful' as india if it has the same spending percent-wise of the GDP, 600 billion if it's as '''peaceful''' as the american. The term of "fastest in 3 years" is also a big joke since the economy growths 12.8% nominally last year, 8.1% inflation adjusted, which is still higher than the 7.1% nominal growth in defence. In conclusion, not only the percentage in comparison of the GDP is already so low, each year it's also comically getting lower! This have been the case for decades already, as the defence spending can't keep up with the economic growth.

Just remember this point whenever some of you are trying to surface the possibility of a military reunification against taiwan or challenging the yanks in the pacific/island chains in the near future. I honestly doubt the seriousness of the current CPC leadership in seeing the importance and urgency of the issues, as they keep on downplaying and postponing on solving those problems further and further into the future.

That's some great context. I really hope the CPC is secretly spending much more than the official figures. Otherwise...

 

[56860]

Not enough.

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In terms of progress made to spending ratio, PLA has been doing impressive for many years. I see no need to change the status quo.

Also, increasing the quality of life of the average citizen has always been the bedrock of economic, military, cultural, technological progress. If you can do that, everything else becomes so much easier. Poverty alleviation will remain the #1 priority for the CCP.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

That's some great context. I really hope the CPC is secretly spending much more than the official figures. Otherwise...

What's the rush? Unless anyone here has a convincing strategy that China's armed reunification with Taiwan will not adversely affect the millions of Chinese ordinary lives for the eventual fall out from the war then am certain Chinese leadership are all ears.

How does one solve the sanctions issue that all of us have witnessed unfolding against Russia, the collapse of their currency and the withholding of their own money that was supposedly safely tucked into their Cental bank is a goner. The collective west are ruthless in trying to maintain the global world order they have built at the backs of the millions of dead people in WWII the majority of which were Russians and Chinese lives.

As some on this forum have eloquently stated, time is on China's side unless she's openly provoked by the U.S. and it's puppets in Taiwan, China can't and will not initiate war that will undermine it's larger strategic goals and objectives and that is to become the unrivaled power in economy, technology, militarily, in all of Asia and more than strong enough to beat any challenges put forth by the entire collective west.

 

[clockwork]

What's the rush? Unless anyone here has a convincing strategy that China's armed reunification with Taiwan will not adversely affect the millions of Chinese ordinary lives for the eventual fall out from the war then am certain Chinese leadership are all ears.

How does one solve the sanctions issue that all of us have witnessed unfolding against Russia, the collapse of their currency and the withholding of their own money that was supposedly safely tucked into their Cental bank is a goner. The collective west are ruthless in trying to maintain the global world order they have built at the backs of the millions of dead people in WWII the majority of which were Russians and Chinese lives.

As some on this forum have eloquently stated, time is on China's side unless she's openly provoked by the U.S. and it's puppets in Taiwan, China can't and will not initiate war that will undermine it's larger strategic goals and objectives and that is to become the unrivaled power in economy, technology, militarily, in all of Asia and more than strong enough to beat any challenges put forth by the entire collective west.

It's not about any "rush" to reunify or anything remotely that narrow... It's just absurd to spend below 1.5%, period. There's 0 excuse to spend below at least like 2.2-2.3%. The US demands all its western allies spent at least 2%, remember that. And then take into consideration the number of enemies China faces.

 

[Overbom]

My 2 cents,
The 2022-2030 period is supposed to be the most dangerous period between China and the US.

If there is any moment to increase military spending, it is during (preferable early) this decade.
Economics are important, but China shouldn't make the mistakes of the past. Wealth without relative military strength is asking for trouble

 

[9dashline]

My 2 cents,
The 2022-2030 period is supposed to be the most dangerous period between China and the US.

If there is any moment to increase military spending, it is during (preferable early) this decade.
Economics are important, but China shouldn't make the mistakes of past. Wealth without military strength is asking for trouble

1000%

When is Putin going to transfer 1000 nukes to Beijing? Hope they don't come with activation codes or geofences like with the F35 lol

 

[OppositeDay]

Everybody just clam down. China is not going to drastically increase its military spending. Just like US has a dominant military-industrial complex, China has a dominant infrastructure-industrial complex. Thinking China is going to rapidly build up its military is like thinking US is going to fix its infrastructure problem. These are nice scenarios to fantasize about but one should understand the chances for either are next to zero. The politico-bureaucratic mindsets in both countries are just too entrenched for major changes.

Just be happy about what we've got, and think more about the optimal way to spend it.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

My 2 cents,
The 2022-2030 period is supposed to be the most dangerous period between China and the US.

If there is any moment to increase military spending, it is during (preferable early) this decade.
Economics are important, but China shouldn't make the mistakes of the past. Wealth without relative military strength is asking for trouble

We don't want another Qing 2 debacle