China's Anti-Access ASBM Strategy [Defense News]

Blackstone

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The American had better idea......starting with THAAD deployment at South Korea.
THAAD deployment in ROK's a serious mistake if it leads PRC leaders to earnestly question their second strike capability. But, THAAD can't threaten China's continental ballistic missile delivery systems! Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's not unreasonable to think future upgrades could do it. But, top US officials repeatedly assured Beijing THAAD isn't aimed against China. Zhongnanhai isn't buying, so it's a non-starter. So what! The PRC can't do anything about it anyway. Maybe not right the way, but what happens if Beijing thinks the only way to guarantee second strike capability is to build hundreds or even thousands more nuclear weapons? How's that good for anyone?
 

AlyxMS

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THAAD deployment in ROK's a serious mistake if it leads PRC leaders to earnestly question their second strike capability. But, THAAD can't threaten China's continental ballistic missile delivery systems! Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's not unreasonable to think future upgrades could do it. But, top US officials repeatedly assured Beijing THAAD isn't aimed against China. Zhongnanhai isn't buying, so it's a non-starter. So what! The PRC can't do anything about it anyway. Maybe not right the way, but what happens if Beijing thinks the only way to guarantee second strike capability is to build hundreds or even thousands more nuclear weapons? How's that good for anyone?

IMO more nuclear weapons won't guarantee second strike capability. SSBNs do.

I don't think China will start to mass produce nuclear weapons as no nuclear war is imminent in the foreseeable future. Even if China goes crazy and expands its nuclear arsenal by 300%. (From 250 to 1000)
That's still less than 15% compared to US or Russia. (1000 : 7000+) Far too little to be a threat.

Still, you are right. More nukes is not good for any one.
But I'm not going to worry about it as the possibility is too low for China to start building more nukes as it offers little benefit to China. (Countries with significant military power have little need for nuclear deterrence)
I think the chances for India, Pakistan or North Korea to build more nukes would be greater than China's.
 

SamuraiBlue

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THAAD deployment in ROK's a serious mistake if it leads PRC leaders to earnestly question their second strike capability. But, THAAD can't threaten China's continental ballistic missile delivery systems! Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's not unreasonable to think future upgrades could do it. But, top US officials repeatedly assured Beijing THAAD isn't aimed against China. Zhongnanhai isn't buying, so it's a non-starter. So what! The PRC can't do anything about it anyway. Maybe not right the way, but what happens if Beijing thinks the only way to guarantee second strike capability is to build hundreds or even thousands more nuclear weapons? How's that good for anyone?

THAAD doesn't have the range to shoot down an ICBM and ICBM doesn't fly a path over SK to strike the US even if it did. PRC is not going to waste ICBM at Japan either since they have too much fuel so the trajectory would take it too high up.
Basically to shoot down an ICBM you would need another ICBM capable launch platform like the ones stationed in Alaska(
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The reason why PRC is objecting THAAD being deployed in SK is because of it's radar capability being able to monitor flight path within PRC territory.
 

SamuraiBlue

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Can you even read I doubt it
The
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heat shield functions by lifting the hot shock layer gas away from the heat shield's outer wall (creating a cooler
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). The boundary layer comes from blowing of gaseous reaction products from the heat shield material and provides protection against all forms of heat flux.


Aughh, get some education will you.
The boundary layer is ionized plasma due to the heat created by the reentry speed so sensors cannot penetrate it to get a reading.
It's basically the same as dropping water on a heated frying pan. The water evaporates lot slower because a vaporized cloud of water is created between the frying pan and the water so the heat propagates slower resulting to slow pace in evaporation BUT the water droplet is covered with vaporized water gas. In ablative shielding the shield evaporate at a much higher temperature making it into ionized plasma with no windows for sensors to peer through.
 

Equation

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Looks like some locals don't want the THAAD either.


South Korea Prime Minister Pelted With Eggs, Bottles Over Missile Site

byTHE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEOUL, South Korea — Angry residents in a rural South Korean town threw eggs and water bottles at the prime minister and blocked him for more than six hours Friday to protest a plan to deploy an advanced U.S. missile defense system in their neighborhood.

Earlier this week, South Korea announced that the
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, will be placed in the southeastern farming town of Seongju by the end of next year to better cope with North Korean threats. Seongju residents launched protests, saying they fear possible health hazards from the missile system.

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South Korean Prime Minister Hwang Kyo-Ahn is protected and dragged away by his bodyguards from angry local residents.YANG JI-WOONG / EPA
Prime Minister Hwang Kyo-ahn, accompanied by the defense minister and others, visited Seongju to try to explain the decision to residents but was immediately disrupted by jeers.

Some hurled eggs and water bottles, shouting "We oppose (the THAAD deployment) with our lives," according to TV footage.

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Seongju-gun residents try to block a vehicle carrying South Korean Prime Minister Hwang Kyo-Ahn (unseen) on a visit to explain a plan to deploy an advanced USA Thaad system in Seongju-gun, Gyeongsangbuk-do province, some 300 kilometers south of Seoul, South Korea, 15 July 2016.YANG JI-WOONG / EPA
A senior police officer was injured on his forehead. Hwang didn't appear to be directly hit by any objects as security guards and aides used umbrellas and bags to protect him. But his suit jacket was tainted by eggs and he evacuated to a town hall office.

When he and the others came out of the building into a minibus, they were surrounded by hundreds of protesters, some using tractors. Hwang was held in the bus for more than six hours.

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Security personnel try to protect South Korean Prime Minister Hwang Kyo-ahn (obscured) from bottle and eggs thrown by angry residents.STRINGER / Reuters
South Korean officials have dismissed as groundless a belief that THAAD radar systems emit electromagnetic waves that can cause health problems. Defense officials say the U.S. system is harmless if people stay at least 100 meters away from it.

Seongju residents criticized the government for unilaterally deciding on the deployment without consulting them. About 200 Seongju residents made a protest visit to Seoul's Defense Ministry on Wednesday, and some wrote letters of complaint in blood. A group of 13 local leaders went on a hunger strike.

Defense Minister Han Min Koo told residents Wednesday he would personally stand in front of the radars to prove they aren't harmful.

The planned missile deployment drew an angry response from North Korea and China. North Korea has threatened unspecified "physical" measures in retaliation while China suspects the system would help U.S. radars track its missiles. Russia also opposes the deployment.

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South Korean Prime Minister Hwang Kyo-ahn bows during a meeting with residents in Seongju where where a U.S. THAAD anti-missile defense unit will be deployed, South Korea, on July 15, 2016.STRINGER / Reuters
U.S. and South Korean officials have said the THAAD system only targets North Korea, not China or anyone else.

Seoul and Washington began their formal discussions on the THAAD deployment
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The United States has about 28,500 troops in South Korea as deterrence against potential aggression from North Korea. American-led U.N. troops fought alongside South Korea during the 1950-53 Korean War while China assisted North Korea

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AndrewS

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@SamuraiBlue

It's only a possibility which may or may not work. They would have announced testing a proof of concept since if it really worked it will be useful in various civilian applications as well as military.

That analysis is incorrect.

The Chinese military is notorious for secrecy even when it doesn't matter anymore.
Plus how many civilian applications actually exist to communicate with a hypersonic vehicle during re-entry blackout? It's mostly a military requirement and remember that the military runs China's space programme.

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@Hyperwarp

When I look at the problem, it just looks like an engineering exercise as there are a number of possible targeting solutions that look feasible, with their own advantages and disadvantages.

So I think tracking and then hitting a large carrier can reasonably be accomplished.

Then we hear about the next version (DF-26 warhead) being able to hit medium-sized targets. This would presumably include Arleigh Burke destroyers or Lewis and Clark supply ships.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
The Chinese military is notorious for secrecy even when it doesn't matter anymore.
Plus how many civilian applications actually exist to communicate with a hypersonic vehicle during re-entry blackout? It's mostly a military requirement and remember that the military runs China's space programme.


Aughh, the article give enough description on how to replicate the technology so if it works it would have been tested by NASA as well.
As for civilian application I can think of a couple, mainly in weather research like within a high atmosphere lightening storm that emits what is known as
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which is harmful to satellites in general, another is exploration of other planets like Venus and Jupiter in which we can do more research of their atmospheric make-up.
 

AndrewS

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@SamuraiBlue

Aughh, the article give enough description on how to replicate the technology so if it works it would have been tested by NASA as well.
As for civilian application I can think of a couple, mainly in weather research like within a high atmosphere lightening storm that emits what is known as
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which is harmful to satellites in general, another is exploration of other planets like Venus and Jupiter in which we can do more research of their atmospheric make-up.

Nope.

Given NASA's budget difficulties, I suspect NASA hasn't gotten around to it.

And you're grasping at civilian applications.

Seriously, atmospheric exploration of Mars and Venus is a high priority?

Recording effects of satellite damage? It's easier to build cheap, lightweight and robust recorders (black boxes) and just retrieve the results afterwards, rather than build a plasma sheath communication mechanism.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Aughh, get some education will you.
The boundary layer is ionized plasma due to the heat created by the reentry speed so sensors cannot penetrate it to get a reading.
It's basically the same as dropping water on a heated frying pan. The water evaporates lot slower because a vaporized cloud of water is created between the frying pan and the water so the heat propagates slower resulting to slow pace in evaporation BUT the water droplet is covered with vaporized water gas. In ablative shielding the shield evaporate at a much higher temperature making it into ionized plasma with no windows for sensors to peer through.

Before you continuing with your nonsense read this
"Energy can neither be created or destroyed it can only be transferred or change from one form to the other"
First law of thermodynamic "conservation of energy"
Anything that violate it is BS!

Using your example what happened to the frying pan when there is no water left(no evaporation) and the burner is on? The frying will melt because there is no more cooling .The fact that evaporation took place take the energy(heat) from the frying pan and transferred water to steam and the result is the frying is cooled(NO MELTING)
 
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