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hijiki

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That's correct, also just like how the Northeast, Xinjiang and inner Mongolia was not part of Ming China or most of China's historical territory, and how Okinawa and Hokkaido was not part of Japanese territory until the 19th century, ditto Hawaii for the USA. Taiwan is a relatively recent addition to the sinosphere of around 300 years, with a 50 year break during Japanese conquest, but still has a longer history than that of the United States as a nation.

However, what do you think would happen if there would be another civil war in America, and the losing party flees to Hawaii. Would the winner on the American mainland leave Hawaii alone?

Taiwan can indeed become independent by taking advantage of political divisions within China, foreign backing and win a war, like Outer Mongolia and Vietnam did (more than one war in Vietnam's case), but right now the Chinese civil war is still in progress.

And if Taiwan wants its independence to be acceptable, it must accept to not become a threat to mainland China, like Canada to the US. If it embarks on a hostile trajectory and threatens to blow up the Three Gorges dam on a whim, then it does not get the privilege of being ignored. Some countries have been invaded for much, much less in very recent history.
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For your second paragraph what-if, there are too many variables, so not going into that.

Yes, that's true about about Hokkaido, Hawaii, Okinawa, and many other parts around the world where territory has changed and gone back and fourth.

Chinese Civil war can end the moment Taiwan freely changes its name from ROC to ROT. The majority of the population don't view themselves as "Chinese" but view themselves as "Taiwanese". History when it was part of Qing (time with Ming was really just a small section of the island) was not regarded well and is ridden with a history of rebellions.

How is Taiwan a threat to China? In all honesty, there's certainty that Russia or the US have in the back closet drawings of prime targets in China in case red alert has to happen. And I'm sure China has the same sort of plans for either Russian or US targets as well. And it was like that throughout the Cold War with US and Soviet tactical and strategic nuke targets littered all over Europe. So there's nothing unique about Taiwan putting the dam as a target.
 
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hijiki said:
For your second paragraph what-if, there are too many variables, so not going into that.

Yes, that's true about about Hokkaido, Hawaii, Okinawa, and many other parts around the world where territory has changed and gone back and fourth.

Chinese Civil war can end the moment Taiwan freely changes its name from ROC to ROT. The majority of the population don't view themselves as "Chinese" but view themselves as "Taiwanese". History when it was part of Qing (time with Ming was really just a small section of the island) was not regarded well and is ridden with a history of rebellions.

How is Taiwan a threat to China? In all honesty, there's certainty that Russia or the US have in the back closet drawings of prime targets in China in case red alert has to happen. And I'm sure China has the same sort of plans for either Russian or US targets as well. And it was like that throughout the Cold War with US and Soviet tactical and strategic nuke targets littered all over Europe. So there's nothing unique about Taiwan putting the dam as a target.
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I'm sorry if anyone has confused you but it's much more simple than any of that. The ROC or Taiwan cannot be independent from China regardless of any reasons that anyone puts forth simply because it is unacceptable to all Chinese people and China is a country with the power to enforce its claims in war. The ROC can change its name to anything, "consider" themselves anything, offer to be hostile or friendly, and other nations can have their own rules and histories when it comes to their territories, but they do not affect China. Only one bottom line affects China: Taiwan island is Chinese territory by Chinese law and 1.4 billion people will go to nuclear war to defend it. All other points are moot.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
I'm sorry if anyone has confused you but it's much more simple than any of that. The ROC or Taiwan cannot be independent from China regardless of any reasons that anyone puts forth simply because it is unacceptable to all Chinese people and China is a country with the power to enforce its claims in war. The ROC can change its name to anything, "consider" themselves anything, offer to be hostile or friendly, and other nations can have their own rules and histories when it comes to their territories, but they do not affect China. Only one bottom line affects China: Taiwan island is Chinese territory by Chinese law and 1.4 billion people will go to nuclear war to defend it. All other points are moot.
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No wonder the Japanese don't kick out US forces :)
 
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Yes Taiwan as a nation officially known as ROC. See their official website and look at their passport. It clearly says ROC. (although she stealthily change this recently by reducing the English words. But note she won't dare change the Chinese words still on them)

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Technically, their new passport, in accordance with international law, should've looked more like this:
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Imagine if we were stupid enough to use the Ainu rebellions to justify separating the Hokkaido Ezo republic from Japan. Oh if only we had the navy back then to insert ourselves in between the two and just wait a few decades until they forget that they are the same nation. These sort of people surely prove that we have to strike first before they can get us
 
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manqiangrexue said:
Some dogs can't live without a master. Excuses aren't necessary :D
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The status of Taiwan could've ended up far worse for China.

The US had extensive plans for an invasion of Taiwan during WW2. Had this invasion gone through, Taiwan would've suffered the same destiny as the Ryukyu's, with the USMG and US civil administration governing the island for decades to come, with China currying favors with the US (just like Japan) in hope that one day it might regain sovereignty over Taiwan.
 
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nlalyst said:
The status of Taiwan could've ended up far worse for China.

The US had extensive plans for an invasion of Taiwan during WW2. Had this invasion gone through, Taiwan would've suffered the same destiny as the Ryukyu's, with the USMG and US civil administration governing the island for decades to come, with China currying favors with the US (just like Japan) in hope that one day it might regain sovereignty over Taiwan.
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In the short term, yeah worse, but in the long term might have been better, Taiwan being handed over to Chinag Kai-shek set the curse of the "One China policy" problem upon it. If the US had occupied it, it could have gone either straight to independent country or returned back to Japan like with the Ryukyu islands and Bonin islands.
 
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