China pleased after observing "Valiant Shield"

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As most of you know the PLA was allowed to observe a joint US excersise called "Valiant Shield"

Did the PLA gain any knowledge from observing this excersise? Or was it just a show by the US side? Will the PLA invite the US to observe any PLAN excersises? Will there ever be joint excersises held with the PRC and US forces involved?

I think a naval excersise simulating some sort of humanitarian assistance would be a great start.

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China pleased after watching U.S. wargames By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jun 22, 9:20 AM ET

SHANGHAI, China - Chinese military observers said Thursday that observing U.S. military exercises in the Pacific this week gave them a better understanding of U.S. weapons and tactics.

Delegation leader Rear Adm. Zhang Leiyu called the visit to the war games near Guam "a positive step in China-U.S. military ties," the official Xinhua News agency reported.

It was the first time a delegation from China had been invited to officially observe U.S. maneuvers in the Pacific, where China and the U.S. face potential conflicts over Taiwan.

"The visit helped China obtain a better understanding of U.S. weapons, training, skills and exercise arrangements," said Zhang, a navy vice chief of staff and commandant of China's Naval Submarine Academy.

Dubbed "Valiant Shield," the exercises brought three carriers together in the Pacific for the first time since the Vietnam War. Some 30 ships, 280 aircraft and 22,000 troops participated in the five-day war games, which ended Thursday.

Zhang's assessment of the exercises will likely be welcomed by exchange advocates, who argue Chinese exposure to advanced U.S. capabilities reduces the chances of misunderstandings or clashes.

However, the comments may arouse concern among exchange opponents. They say China gains valuable information about the U.S. military without giving away anything in return about their own 2.3 million-member armed forces — the world's largest.

Adm. William J. Fallon, the top U.S. commander in the Pacific who invited the Chinese delegation, said before the exercises began that he expected China to reciprocate. However, neither Zhang or the Xinhua report gave any indication that such an invitation was forthcoming.

The two countries' militaries have had their share of friction in the past, including fighting against each other in the Korean War. In 1996, the U.S. Navy sent two aircraft carrier battle groups to the waters near Taiwan amid Chinese war games to intimidate the self-governing island, whose defense Washington is legally bound to assist.

China and Taiwan split in 1949 amid civil war, and Beijing has threatened to attack if the island continues to resist unification.

This week's maneuvers were part of U.S. efforts to reinvigorate exchanges between the two militaries, which have had little interaction since a U.S. spy plane collided with a Chinese jet fighter over the South China Sea in 2001.

Later Thursday, Xinhua said China is "open" to military exchanges with the United States, and that it is willing to promote bilateral defense and security cooperation, citing remarks by Chinese State Councilor Tang Jiaxuan.

Tang made the remarks following a meeting with a delegation of the American Foreign Policy Council, a nonprofit organization. The delegation was led by retired Gen. Richard Myers, former chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Xinhua said
 

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bd popeye said:
As most of you know the PLA was allowed to observe a joint US excersise called "Valiant Shield"

Did the PLA gain any knowledge from observing this excersise? Or was it just a show by the US side? Will the PLA invite the US to observe any PLAN excersises? Will there ever be joint excersises held with the PRC and US forces involved?

I think a naval excersise simulating some sort of humanitarian assistance would be a great start.

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From what I saw on Chinese news, it's clear that China knows that US is expecting an invitation to its own exercise. It knows the consequences of its own acceptance. I would say it will definitely invite US to its own exercises. The question is what kind of showing China will put on in those exercises.

There is two folds to why China doesn't want to invite US:
1. It doesn't want to show its stuff
2. Its stuff is archaic, so it's embarrassed to show them.
 

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There is two folds to why China doesn't want to invite US:
1. It doesn't want to show its stuff
2. Its stuff is archaic, so it's embarrassed to show them.

During "Valiant Shield" I'm sure the US did not show the PLA everything it has. The US put on a good show however by all accounts. I'm sure the PLAN could do the same by putting it's best foot foward.

The PLAN has come along way in the last 15 years or so. They have nothing to be embarrased about.
 
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bd popeye said:
The PLAN has come along way in the last 15 years or so. They have nothing to be embarrased about.

Well that won't be enough for some big-wigs. The fact that their assets aren't up to what the US has would be enough to make some argue the US shouldn't be allowed to visit, even if others don't mind.
 

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Well that won't be enough for some big-wigs. The fact that their assets aren't up to what the US has would be enough to make some argue the US shouldn't be allowed to visit, even if others don't mind.

That's too bad if some of the Chinese "brass" think that way. Because let's face it. The US knows what the PLAN is capable of..

One thing the PLAN could do is send a couple of ships to visit a west coast US port. You know, seattle or San Diego. That would be a start.

Also could some one plese post or send to me any stories from the Chinese press about the operation? translated of course! thanks!
 

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I'd be joyous to see PLAN invited to future West Pacific regional naval exercises and defense expos, even exercises in the Indian Ocean. I believe at least sending one PLAN ship to these exercises (something harmless, say 167) would do a lot in maturing military ties between China, the US and other regional navies.

If the US let Chinese observers to tour a US carrier, then perhaps PLAN might have to offer something in kind as well. Maybe a tour of the 052B destroyers (no harm in that, yes good capabilities of weapons but nothing realy as secretly revolutionary as 052C, and the 052B would put on a great show, it is far from an embarassment), or tour of a PLAN naval base.
 

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Very interesting. But this type of exchange is what builds understanding between countries. I'm hoping the US military brass is invited to view Chinese exercises. And I agree, PLAN has nothing to be ashamed about. PLAN has developed greatly recently. The US military already understand PLAN abilities anyway. And if PLAN wants to rebuild the exchange programs again, they should reciprocate.
 

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bd popeye said:
As most of you know the PLA was allowed to observe a joint US excersise called "Valiant Shield" Did the PLA gain any knowledge from observing this excersise? Or was it just a show by the US side?
I think the US served two purposes by the invite. One was a show of good faith to foster better relations. The second, and probably equally important from the USN side, was to impress the PLAN with the raw capabilities of three Carrier Strike Groups and what they can accomplish, particulalry when operating in a coordinated combined arms mode. It cannot be lost that all of those Air Force assetts would be an overwhelming addition to the combined weight of the carriers and their groups.

I doubt the USN allowed anything truly revolutionary or damaging out of the bag...but there is no doubt the PLAN learned a thing or two from the exchange and hopefully they will now reciprocate.

PE, see my thread in the World Military Section on USN Carrier operations. Some great hi-res pics of the exercises.
 

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I was watching CCTV4 today and a program for Valiant Shield 06. The tone was very positive. They were commenting about how an 18 year old can steer a carrier and all. The issue with a joint Sino-US delegation to a Chinese exercise also came up, and the analyst basically said that, because of the rather low relationship between the two armed forces, it's going to be a long while.
 

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I thought USA invited to the North sword (or north arrow?) exercise earlier this year featuring China's latest tanks. I would be very surprised if USA doesn't get invited to some Chinese exercise later on. The problem is that there simply aren't as many high quality Chinese exercises.
 
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