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[LawLeadsToPeace]

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Controversial, but correct.

Not exactly. If i remember correctly, the Middle Eastern nations each have their own intepretation of Islam. The more obvious example of different interpretations is women's clothing. Some nations like Saudi Arabia, Syria and Turkey don't require hijabs while Iran and Afghanistan do. Xi Jinping's proclamation is only controversial because a lot of Muslims reside in Xinjiang.

 

[Overbom]

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Controversial, but correct.

Not controversial at all.

Religions, and especially some certain "you-know-who" religions, have a nasty habit in involving themselves in mortal affairs. In order to prevent these seriously destabilizing actions from happening, religions should be supervised and also be under close scrutiny from state authorities.

Lets see then who is brave enough to go against the state by raising the banner of religion. They should be grateful enough that China hasn't banned them already for all the damage they have caused to humanity

 

[Century2030]

I think you need to change your news sources. There is massive investment, it’s mind boggling.

To clarify what I meant is what is China doing to safeguard its culture from being stolen/copied by foreign companies.

Are there any repercussions for Dior copying hanfu and not acknowledging its Chinese origins?

There's also a new Kdrama (Alchemy of Souls) on netflix where the characters are wearing hanfu and some of the scenery are copied from wuxia/xianxia Cdramas. It's still on air today. Culture itself can be considered a type of IP. China has invested in stuff like museums, artifacts, etc.. But they haven't taken ownership of the clothing(hanfu), art style in terms of a Chinese company trademarking and popularizing it worldwide.

What Dior is doing is just the beginning. It would be terrible if 5-10 years from now, foreign companies are all milking Chinese culture while China/Chinese companies are left out in the cold.

Even in the original global times article, there was a paragraph that stated:

"A major concern of some Hanfu lovers is that, given Dior's global influence, its global consumers take it as a Dior original, Chinese horse face skirt would instead to be taken as a "copycat" by some people who are not familiar with Chinese culture, which is confusing."

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

To clarify what I meant is what is China doing to safeguard its culture from being stolen/copied by foreign companies.

Are there any repercussions for Dior copying hanfu and not acknowledging its Chinese origins?

There's also a new Kdrama (Alchemy of Souls) on netflix where the characters are wearing hanfu and some of the scenery are copied from wuxia/xianxia Cdramas. It's still on air today. Culture itself can be considered a type of IP. China has invested in stuff like museums, artifacts, etc.. But they haven't taken ownership of the clothing(hanfu), art style in terms of a Chinese company trademarking and popularizing it worldwide.

What Dior is doing is just the beginning. It would be terrible if 5-10 years from now, foreign companies are all milking Chinese culture while China/Chinese companies are left out in the cold.

Even in the original global times article, there was a paragraph that stated:

"A major concern of some Hanfu lovers is that, given Dior's global influence, its global consumers take it as a Dior original, Chinese horse face skirt would instead to be taken as a "copycat" by some people who are not familiar with Chinese culture, which is confusing."

In my opinion, there's no Asians, Chinese or otherwise who would be convinced that Wuxia/xianxia is of Korean origin, not in a bazillion years for as long as China is around. Wuxia style will always be associated with Chinese and China just as Anime will almost always be associated with Japan while pretty boys almost indrogenous looks as hallmarks of K-pop will be firmly Korean.

 

[Century2030]

In my opinion, there's no Asians, Chinese or otherwise who would be convinced that Wuxia/xianxia is of Korean origin, not in a bazillion years for as long as China is around. Wuxia style will always be associated with Chinese and China just as Anime will almost always be associated with Japan while pretty boys almost indrogenous looks as hallmarks of K-pop will be firmly Korean.

Kdrama fans are already claiming the "Alchemy of Souls" drama is an original Korean drama and didn't take anything from wuxia.
That drama is popular in Asia. It actually has a higher viewership than another wuxia Cdrama (Who Rules the World)..

 

[Coalescence]

To clarify what I meant is what is China doing to safeguard its culture from being stolen/copied by foreign companies.

Are there any repercussions for Dior copying hanfu and not acknowledging its Chinese origins?

There's also a new Kdrama (Alchemy of Souls) on netflix where the characters are wearing hanfu and some of the scenery are copied from wuxia/xianxia Cdramas. It's still on air today. Culture itself can be considered a type of IP. China has invested in stuff like museums, artifacts, etc.. But they haven't taken ownership of the clothing(hanfu), art style in terms of a Chinese company trademarking and popularizing it worldwide.

What Dior is doing is just the beginning. It would be terrible if 5-10 years from now, foreign companies are all milking Chinese culture while China/Chinese companies are left out in the cold.

Even in the original global times article, there was a paragraph that stated:

"A major concern of some Hanfu lovers is that, given Dior's global influence, its global consumers take it as a Dior original, Chinese horse face skirt would instead to be taken as a "copycat" by some people who are not familiar with Chinese culture, which is confusing."

I thought about the problem last night, and it sucks that these global companies are copying or taking elements from Chinese culture without acknowledging its origin, but I don't its big deal that warrants punishment of companies, instead the Chinese people should be aware that this brand disrespect them and for the government to not recognize or protect copyrights which uses Chinese elements because it falls under public domain.

There's also an opportunity for Chinese companies and brand to capitalize on the popularization of Chinese cultural elements, like if Dior's copycat horse face skirt becomes mainstream, Chinese companies could spam product listing in online shopping platforms with names like "Chinese Horse Face Skirt Hanfu [Whatever Dior calls it]", selling it at a cheaper price. This would help associate the cultural design to the Chinese, and if there's confusion it can be easily cleared up by historical sources and entries.

 

[Century2030]

There's also an opportunity for Chinese companies and brand to capitalize on the popularization of Chinese cultural elements, like if Dior's copycat horse face skirt becomes mainstream

Ideally, Chinese companies should hold the trademarks for hanfu and other cultural products. And they also take the initiative in popularizing it worldwide. That way if a foreign company tries to copy it, everyone would know who made it first and the Chinese company can sue them in court.

Chinese companies could spam product listing in online shopping platforms with names like "Chinese Horse Face Skirt Hanfu [Whatever Dior calls it]", selling it at a cheaper price.

If Dior popularizes it first, subsequent Chinese companies making a similar item would be seen as a cheap copycat, unfortunately.

 

[Coalescence]

Ideally, Chinese companies should hold the trademarks for hanfu and other cultural products. And they also take the initiative in popularizing it worldwide. That way if a foreign company tries to copy it, everyone would know who made it first and it would be an easy to win copyright lawsuit.

Problem with trademarking hanfu and other cultural products is its in public domain, maybe the could do a little alteration like Disney did with a lot of the movies based on older works, but stopping foreign companies from taking design and elements through legal means would be difficult.

If Dior popularizes it first, subsequent Chinese companies making a similar item would be seen as a cheap copycat, unfortunately.

For a while they'll regard it as a cheap copycat, until the support or defense from the fan dies off and we get to set the narrative. Perceptions of who owns the design or genre is very malleable, as long as the product listing is out there associating the design to China long after Dior's copycat product popularity dies off, the people would eventually associate the product with Chinese culture.

As for the Kdrama thing, don't expect anything intelligent from Kdrama fans lol. Fans often defend their product from any negative reception or opinion, even if its constructive or contradicts facts. The popularity of that show might have more to do with there being a big following for Kdrama, than because of the content of the show. What we can do to help Chinese shows of similar genre is localizing the works and creating a "pipeline" to direct new fans of the genre thanks to that Kdrama, into them.

A short explanation of what a "pipeline" is, you know why anime fans become associated with alt-right? because it have to do with Youtube algorithm giving suggestions like first you're watching anime, then it moves you to anime reviews, then anti-SJW videos from the same reviewer, anti-SJW cringe compilation, and all the way to Joe Rogan show. A lot of them got eased into those views, through some chain of association.

 

[Faustshadowdancer]

Copyrighting/trademarking everything and viciously enforcing it is how Jpop ultimately failed in garnering an international audience. Your stuff needs to be accessible to be popular, and I'm not sure suing the crap out of every copycat is a good idea if your goal is to spread your culture everywhere. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure rampant piracy is/was a big driver of anime/manga's popularity.

 

[56860]

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Controversial, but correct.

Absolutely. Loyalty to a deity cannot be placed above loyalty to the state.