China News Thread

[Century2030]

Problem with trademarking hanfu and other cultural products is its in public domain, maybe the could do a little alteration like Disney did with a lot of the movies based on older works, but stopping foreign companies from taking design and elements through legal means would be difficult.

Hanfu by itself is probably too generic and can't be patented. But if a company makes a clothing line that's derived from hanfu and has unique designs, that would be something that they can get a patent for. For cultural products that's hard to copyright, the best way would be to popularize to the point where it's synonymous with the respective company/country. Kind of like how Marvel superheroes are associated with the USA (Hollywood), Japan with anime and Pokemon, etc..

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Problem with trademarking hanfu and other cultural products is its in public domain, maybe the could do a little alteration like Disney did with a lot of the movies based on older works, but stopping foreign companies from taking design and elements through legal means would be difficult.

If China were a poor country, then I agree with you. However China’s market is too lucrative for companies to lose. If the government had a system that allowed the people to report to them about such violations, I guarantee you that those companies will comply. That’s the reason why the US can get away with screwing over everyone else.

For a while they'll regard it as a cheap copycat, until the support or defense from the fan dies off and we get to set the narrative. Perceptions of who owns the design or genre is very malleable, as long as the product listing is out there associating the design to China long after Dior's copycat product popularity dies off, the people would eventually associate the product with Chinese culture.

No offense, but that is naive at best. In the past decade, despite China’s innovations in AI, 5G, Biotech, automation, drones, and etc, people still associate China with being a thief. People in reality are not as malleable as you think they are, especially when they recall memories about people or entities they look down upon or hate. The most unequivocal examples can be found in the US, and they range from flat Earthers to believers in the Uyghur genocide. Hell, people still think Tibet was a country prior to the establishment of the PRC. No matter how much evidence you throw at them, they will never change their minds unless you force them to change.

This passiveness and fear of initiative were the main factors that cost the Chinese their reputation in the 1990’s, and China is still dealing with the damage from that loss. They are some of the main reasons behind why Asians have the s**ty lies attached to them and why China is still having a headache in regards to Taiwan in regards to politics. I can go on and on about how passiveness and fear of initiative can lead and has led to one’s defeat. However, my point still stands: China needs to actively counteract such thievery. Active projection and usage of economic might and governmental power can allow China to change the narrative to whatever they want.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Kdrama fans are already claiming the "Alchemy of Souls" drama is an original Korean drama and didn't take anything from wuxia.
That drama is popular in Asia. It actually has a higher viewership than another wuxia Cdrama (Who Rules the World)..

When you sat Asia, which Asian countries are you talking about or referring to? And where's the link to your claim that Alchemy of Souls has higher viewership compared to Who rules the world Chinese drama? I think you're maybe referring to Netflix data right? Pfft...according to Bloomber and other western publications, Netflix has about 15% out of the 221 million paid subscribers worldwide which means that's about 33 million subscribers, whereas IQIYi one of China's leading video platform subscriber has an estimated 106 million in China and millions more in South East Asia but that number is unpublished. Netflix Asian subscribers are majority Indians so in my view their opinions are irrelevant.

 

[Aniah]

Kdrama fans are already claiming the "Alchemy of Souls" drama is an original Korean drama and didn't take anything from wuxia.
That drama is popular in Asia. It actually has a higher viewership than another wuxia Cdrama (Who Rules the World)..

Don't remind me of that, Koreans stealing another Chinese culture and making bank off it and the bloody west doesn't give a rats ass. I've seen so many westerners trying their hardest to excuse this or to use every minuscule difference to prove otherwise. Had this dumbass say the Chinese are no different for using anime-style art for their games or shows but forgetting the Chinese never claim this was their style. I'll be honest, cultural appropriation/thievery is the one thing that pissed me off a lot (especially when it's the koreans who do it) and the government should promote more news on these and make the people know not to support those thieves. Hit them where it hurts, their wallets.

 

[Coalescence]

If China were a poor country, then I agree with you. However China’s market is too lucrative for companies to lose. If the government had a system that allows the people to report to them about such violations, I guarantee you that those companies will comply. That’s the reason why the US can get away with screwing over everyone else.

I still think its kind of a bit too much and waste of administrative resources to punish foreign companies for using Chinese cultural elements, but sure if it helps protect the ownership and perception of Chinese culture. But what would constitute as violation under this system? Does the foreign companies have to ask permission from the CPC branch handling these cases first before selling those products, or do they simply have to credit the design to Chinese culture? Would it target only big companies with a huge following or also include smaller companies? The scope of the system needs to be considered, and technicalities be ironed out to prevent innocent companies from being punished.

No offense, but that is naive at best. In the past decade, despite China’s innovations in AI, 5G, Biotech, automation, drones, and etc, people still associate China with being a thief. People in reality are not malleable as you think they are, especially when they recall memories about people or entities they look down upon or hate. The most unequivocal examples can be found in the US, and they range from flat Earthers to believers in the Uyghur genocide. Hell, people still think Tibet was a country prior to the establishment of the PRC. No matter how much evidence you throw at them, they will never change their minds unless you force them to change.

This is more due to US propaganda campaign than because a group of individuals stubbornly sticking to their prejudices, as long as they keep bringing that topic up in the western news, it won't fade away like product trends and show popularity normally do. Compare how much people are talking Tibetan separatism now to before during the height of 2008 Olympics. Nowadays people bring up Uyghur "genocide" more, while Tibetan separatism a lot less. Another example is during when Japan's economy is rivalling US, and was demonized through the use of propaganda, but after they got defeated, the perception slowly shift to a positive one. It is because of people's attention span and being swayed more easily by emotion than facts that make them malleable.

This passiveness and fear of initiative were the main factors that cost the Chinese their reputation in the 1990’s, and China is still dealing with the repercussions of that loss. They are some of the main reasons behind why Asians have the s**ty lies attached to them and why China is still having a headache in regards to Taiwan in regards to politics. I can go on and on about how passiveness and fear of initiative can lead to one’s defeat. However, my point still stands: China needs to actively counteract such thievery. Economic might and governmental power can allow China to change the narrative to whatever they want.

I agree with this, China can no longer be passive and must take initiative ranging from actively countering the West to improving their international image. To prevent cases like this, the system for handling these cases must be fleshed out first, and coupled with other initiatives like popularizing Chinese culture and localizing Chinese media for the international audience.

 

[Century2030]

When you sat Asia, which Asian countries are you talking about or referring to? And where's the link to your claim that Alchemy of Souls has higher viewership compared to Who rules the world Chinese drama? I think you're maybe referring to Netflix data right? Pfft...according to Bloomber and other western publications, Netflix has about 15% out of the 221 million paid subscribers worldwide which means that's about 33 million subscribers, whereas IQIYi one of China's leading video platform subscriber has an estimated 106 million in China and millions more in South East Asia but that number is unpublished. Netflix Asian subscribers are majority Indians so in my view their opinions are irrelevant.

It's netflix. "Who Rules the World" viewcount is out of date as the drama already finished a few weeks ago. However even when WRTW was airing, the viewership numbers wasn't as high as "Alchemy of Souls" now:

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AoS has a higher number of tweets on social media as well.

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

I still think its kind of a bit too much and waste of administrative resources to punish foreign companies for using Chinese cultural elements, but sure if it helps protect the ownership and perception of Chinese culture.

I'd say the enforcement is dependent on people reporting it. You are right in the fact that it would be a waste of governmental resources to actively hunt down companies. So let the more active citizens participate by letting them search for and report any perpetrators. The people's vocal outrage is mainly due to people lacking the ability to do anything about it.

But what would constitute as violation under this system? Does the foreign companies have to ask permission from the CPC branch handling these cases first before selling those products, or do they simply have to credit the design to Chinese culture? Would it target only big companies with a huge following or also include smaller companies? The scope of the system needs to be considered, and technicalities be ironed out to prevent innocent companies from being punished.

A violation would depend on how similar the cultural object is to the product. The severity of punishment is up to the company's response itself. The company only needs to give credit to the proper owner.

This is more due to US propaganda campaign than because a group of individuals stubbornly sticking to their prejudices, as long as they keep bringing that topic up in the western news, it won't fade away like product trends and show popularity normally do. Compare how much people are talking Tibetan separatism now to before during the height of 2008 Olympics. Nowadays people bring up Uyghur "genocide" more, while Tibetan separatism a lot less. Another example is during when Japan's economy is rivalling US, and was demonized through the use of propaganda, but after they got defeated, the perception slowly shift to a positive one. It is because of people's attention span and being swayed more easily by emotion than facts that make them malleable.

True, but Japan's image was ultimately determined by the US's media. Japan became a "good country" because the US changed Japan's image for them (also Japan's kawaii culture started to take hold of their society). China faces an uphill battle in this regard since no foreign media outlet will stand with China. Your target audience isn't the Chinese; it is the rest of the world. If you allow the foreign companies' narrative to dominate and/or let them get away with it, they already won the media war since there is an inherent media bias against China. The point of this system is to force thieving companies to admit their wrongoing and apologize to the world for their deception and thievery. Until the Western media outlets' credibility is trashed, China's claims will always be ignored while those companies' statements will be treated like gold.

 

[henrik]

China's Wang Jianan wins long jump in final round | World Athletics Championships Oregon 2022

 

[Strangelove]

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Specialized rescue, maritime management stationed in China's Nansha Islands & reefs

By Global Times Published: Jul 17, 2022 11:42 AM

A maritime rescue vessel departs from Sanya port for the Nansha Islands in the South China Sea in July 2021, carrying the 13th group of rescue forces to be stationed in the Nansha waters for a three-month mission.Photo: Xinhua

A rescue flight brigade of China's Ministry of Transport in the South China Sea, the local marine department and the maritime search and rescue center have been stationed on Nansha Islands and reefs in South China Sea to undertake emergency rescue missions, perform duties such as supervision of maritime traffic safety and prevention and control of ship pollutions in the area and to guarantee navigation safety and production activities in coastal states.

According to Xinhua News Agency on Sunday, this is a concrete measure by China that will aid the provision of public goods to the international community and that will help the country fulfill international responsibilities and obligations. The move additionally demonstrates China's vision of peaceful development and its image as a responsible major country, and helps build the South China Sea into a sea of peace, friendship and cooperation.

Statistics showed that in the past 10 years, China has conducted 197 maritime search and rescue operations in the South China Sea, successfully rescuing 1,721 Chinese and foreign people in distress, with a success rate of 95.56 percent, providing a solid guarantee for the safety of life and property and maritime navigation and transportation in the region, Xinhua reported.

The State Council, or China's cabinet, in June 2012 approved the establishment of Sansha, a prefectural-level city in South China's Hainan Province to administer the Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha islands and the surrounding waters in the South China Sea.

 

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China reaffirms determination to wipe out mafia gangsters, protectors

By Zhang Changyue Published: Jul 18, 2022 11:11 PM

Police in Jinan, East China's Shandong Province, patrol a night market on July 5, 2022, as part of the Public Security Ministry's 100-day campaign to crack down on gang crimes. Photo: CFP

China will wipe out all gang-related crime, reaffirmed the top prosecutor on Monday, saying that China has indicted 230,000 people who were engaged in mafia-like gangs and other crimes, and 2,987 people who acted as their protectors, in the three-year national crackdown on gang crimes from 2018 to 2021.

To meet Chinese people's higher demand for safety, China launched a national campaign to crack down on gang crimes from 2018 to 2021, especially severe violent crimes that jeopardized people's sense of security and those oppressing women and children, said the Supreme People's Procuratorate (SPP) at a press conference on Monday.

According to the SPP, more than 8,580,000 criminal suspects have been arrested and 14,900,000 suspects were prosecuted from 2013 to the end of June in 2022. The number of people engaged in serious violent crimes and prosecuted by procuratorial organs dropped from 108,000 in 2013 to 59,000 in 2021.

The SPP listed the crushing of complex cases including the case of the mafia-like alliance head Sun Xiaoguo as examples to show its determination in the continuous and strict crackdown on Mafia-like gangs and evil forces.

Sun was finally executed in 2020 for rape and intentional assault after repeated escapes from punishment since the 1990s. Murderer Du Shaoping was also executed in 2020, 16 years after he killed a boy and buried the body under a school sports ground in Central China's Hunan Province. Their protectors, government officials who helped them evade penalties and investigations for a long time, have all been punished as well.

The Ministry of Public Security said on Sunday that more than 72,000 suspects have been arrested since the start of a 100-day national campaign on June 25, which aimed at crushing illegal behavior of gangs and their protectors to protect women, children, elders and the disabled.

Local public security authorities have been supporting the 100-day campaign and 5,010 criminals have already been caught in Central China's Henan, while 693 suspects were arrested in Hebei.

Experts noted that despite the challenges and complexity of wiping out gang crime, the 100-day national campaign will definitely enhance the public's sense of security and improve the social security situation.

The campaign is part of the huge effort China has made with great determination in recent years to crack down on gang crimes, which are not easy, because some mafia-like groups have the support and protection of local officials, Wang Hongwei, a professor at the Renmin University of China's School of Public Administration and Policy, told the Global Times on Monday.

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of North China's Hebei Province, which immediately triggered public outrage and concerns over social security. Tangshan authorities then launched special campaign against crimes across the city with a heavy punch and no mercy and encouraged residents to offer tip-offs in to crack down on illegal acts, showing determination to eradicate violence in the city.

Gang crime has in fact existed around the world for a very long time, but such attacks will only leave the public with greater shock and terror because the violent situation could be clearly and vividly presented to them through pictures and videos on the internet, Zhang Yiwu, a professor of Chinese literature at Peking University, told the Global Times on Monday.

Higher requirements on guaranteeing public security have been made in an era of self-media, which means the Chinese government needs to crush such crimes in a deeper and comprehensive way to further improve people's sense of security, Zhang pointed out.