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ChongqingHotPot92

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Unless a black swan event has occured (the Russo-Ukraine war definitely isn't), nobody in their right mind in Beijing would ever entertain the idea of invading and taking over the Russian Far East from Moscow.

Conquering a region is the easy part. Governing it and making sure it functions again is the hard part. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan.

China has Taiwan (and perhaps the Ryukyus too) to worry enough already. Why bother adding yet more vast, frigid, sparsely-populated and largely under-developed territories for Beijing to have more headaches about?
Well I didn’t say right now. What I argued for AFTER Putin leaves office amid a Russia weakened from the Ukraine War. Nor did I argue for taking the Russian Far East/Outer Manchuria. But I did argue for taking back Outer Mongolia and parts of Kazakhstan that used to belong to the Qing before the Tsarist conquest of Ili if neither contemporary Russia nor the US were in direct positions to stop China. What I am suggesting is an opportunistic expansion in the future (again, after Putin leaves and Sino-Russian Relations deteriorates FIRST) similar to the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014.

Those territories may not be suitable for agriculture, but they do have mines, oil, gas, and rare earth (especially Mongolia). Water source is another importance, giving China new opportunities to divert water from those massive fresh lakes (or desalinisation for saline lakes) all the way toward the highly populated Yellow River Basin. Such massive diversion projects could sustain jobs for China’s massive infrastructure industrial complex, as similar technology used to high-speed rail bridges and tunnels could be used to build massive aqueducts.

And yes we are talking about neo-imperialism here, but who isn’t?
 

tygyg1111

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Well I didn’t say right now. What I argued for AFTER Putin leaves office amid a Russia weakened from the Ukraine War. Nor did I argue for taking the Russian Far East/Outer Manchuria. But I did argue for taking back Outer Mongolia and parts of Kazakhstan that used to belong to the Qing before the Tsarist conquest of Ili if neither contemporary Russia nor the US were in direct positions to stop China. What I am suggesting is an opportunistic expansion in the future (again, after Putin leaves and Sino-Russian Relations deteriorates FIRST) similar to the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014.

Those territories may not be suitable for agriculture, but they do have mines, oil, gas, and rare earth (especially Mongolia). Water source is another importance, giving China new opportunities to divert water from those massive fresh lakes (or desalinisation for saline lakes) all the way toward the highly populated Yellow River Basin. Such massive diversion projects could sustain jobs for China’s massive infrastructure industrial complex, as similar technology used to high-speed rail bridges and tunnels could be used to build massive aqueducts.

And yes we are talking about neo-imperialism here, but who isn’t?
As long as Europe is split with hostilities that the other half blame on Russia, it and aligned countries will be forced to get closer and stay close to China.
Depending on the circumstances, China would basically have unfettered access and development rights to those territories, and possibly enough influence to ensure the right parties win elections.
Taking things back by force or open coercion is a good way to poison a relationship.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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As long as Europe is split with hostilities that the other half blame on Russia, it and aligned countries will be forced to get closer and stay close to China.
Depending on the circumstances, China would basically have unfettered access and development rights to those territories, and possibly enough influence to ensure the right parties win elections.
Taking things back by force or open coercion is a good way to poison a relationship.
I agree that for now, yes.
 

KYli

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Both Kazakhstan and Mongolia are sovereign nations. China has settled border disputes with both countries. If the world didn't go full retarded, then China should respect such agreement and treaty.

Understandably, many Chinese have grudged over what had happened during late Qing Dynasty and want to take back territories that were lost during that period. However, the world today is much different from a century ago. China can't just go in and take some territories and reclaim Mongolia.

Beside, Mongolia is a burden to China except those mineral that China can buy. Mongolians are brainwashed to hate China and Chinese and they aren't productive society that can contribute to China. If China ever took Mongolia back, China would be on hook of another massive handouts and investment in Mongolia for decades. I don't think it is worth it.

I think Chinese nationalists need to focus on Taiwan and SCS. China is facing a total war and containment from Western powers through their alliance in Asia and American military powers in Pacific. If Russia is defeated, then soon Taiwan independent would be promoted and escalated to force China's hands. Western powers would employ their strategy of salami slice such as they did to Russia through slowly poaching away Russian allies and finally reach Russian doorstep by slowly giving Taiwan's independent and sovereignty recognition.
 
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