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Petrolicious88

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This is worrisome and I hope not true but a timing coincidence. A rushed exit from 0 COVID is going to be an absolute disaster. So far, every single person who obviously wishes ill on China has wanted China to do away with 0 COVID (though not everyone who wishes an end to 0 COVID is necessarily anti-China).
Fair. Though, people that are advocating for the continuation of Zero covid, harsh crack downs on protesters, etc... are secretly anti-China. Someone here recently said China should impose zero covid forever, and china should just nationalize foreign companies if they ever decide to leave china. I doubt these people want what's best for china.

Most Chinese are not pushing for western style management of covid or western style democracy. But as Chinese people become richer, they are going to demand more freedom, more say in how they are governed. Just providing economic growth won't be enough.
 

manqiangrexue

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Right, because every person who openly wishes China ill or selectively posts anti-China material is against 0 COVID, however...
Though, people that are advocating for the continuation of Zero covid, harsh crack downs on protesters, etc... are secretly anti-China.
...this is not a fair judgement because, well, you've said it yourself that they are "secretly" anti-China because that is your guess without evidence. Zero COVID is dynamic and can shift with scientific evidence, although 2,600+ deaths a week in the US shows me that the policy should not be relaxed; rioters should always be cracked down upon to maintain social unity and to show that temper tantrums don't work. Am I "secretly anti-China" too? Who's going to buy it if you claim it? LOL
Someone here recently said China should impose zero covid forever,
Don't know why; COVID doesn't last forever
and china should just nationalize foreign companies if they ever decide to leave china.
Well not now but if hostilities came to a point, you should know that the West makes up any reason to rob you of your assets in their nations so this card is very much on the table for China if the conditions are right.
I doubt these people want what's best for china.
Well, I judge based on what they've deliberately expressed or the political leanings of their posts/sources, not simply because they don't agree on Zero COVID, which is why I said not necessarily are those tho want to do away with Zero COVID anti-China.
Most Chinese are not pushing for western style management of covid or western style democracy. But as Chinese people become richer, they are going to demand more freedom, more say in how they are governed. Just providing economic growth won't be enough.
That's a Western concept, and like most Westen concepts, not applicable to China. Currently, Chinese people have all the freedoms they need to prosper. Only crazy people who riot want extra freedoms... like the freedom to riot. Those who are making good money living good lives aren't up in arms about some bullshit freedoms that they will never exercise. They have the right to conduct their businesses and their lives without offense to others; that's enough and shall remain enough for non-troublemakers in any country.
 

TK3600

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He might be corrupted but he did have the strategic patience and started our military modernization. What we are seeing now are the fruits from 20 years ago.
Corruption started in Deng's era of opening up. If anything Jiang took steps to bring it down such as in military. You could argue Jiang could have done more like Xi, but like corruption, much of the criticism he bore originated from Deng era.
 

supercat

Major
If that tweeter could find new clips of protests, he would have posted those. Or is he really so lazy? Besides that it's a older clip, how many "protesters" do you count in the video? 4? 5? At most, approx. 8 cities/areas were involved during the "peak protest" days. But now the protests have been largely over. To this day, some Westerns don't understand that CIA delegates such clandestine operations to Taiwan and is not directly involved. It's Taiwan's sleep cells and online bots that are activated in such situation.

Most Chinese are not pushing for western style management of covid or western style democracy. But as Chinese people become richer, they are going to demand more freedom, more say in how they are governed. Just providing economic growth won't be enough.
I understand that many Chinese have legitimate grievances against the zero-COVID policies and the policies need adjustment. However, we can't ignore the fact that some Western MSM's are smearing China's COVID policies because they probably don't care about Chinese lives that much and their main focus is on the profits of foreign investment in China.

The investment banking company UBS predicts China will reopen in Q3 2023 and the economy will bounce back by then (5% growth in 2023).
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China really needs a vaccination mandate especially for the elderly and a mask mandate (preferably KN95 mask) ASAP, as well as ICU buildup, for any realistic relaxation of the zero-COVID policies next year.

An endangered Asian golden cat and her baby showed up in a giant panda reservation:

More than 95% primary and high school students, both urban and rural, now uses internet:
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Biscuits

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Fair. Though, people that are advocating for the continuation of Zero covid, harsh crack downs on protesters, etc... are secretly anti-China. Someone here recently said China should impose zero covid forever, and china should just nationalize foreign companies if they ever decide to leave china. I doubt these people want what's best for china.

Most Chinese are not pushing for western style management of covid or western style democracy. But as Chinese people become richer, they are going to demand more freedom, more say in how they are governed. Just providing economic growth won't be enough.
There is not really any point in keeping covid out once its endemic. And currently there are cases in the 40 000s, with the grand total deaths of... 1. A 87 year old with multiple morbidities.

China would never nationalize international companies. But if a company follows the dictatorial policies from any country where the Chinese people have no say, then they are not an international company but an extension of said enemy country's government. Why should the enemies of China be allowed to keep assets freely in the international sphere?

China will respect property rights as much or as little as the West respects our property rights. Then we see from there if it is needed to nationalize or freeze their assets.

Indeed as China becomes richer, people demand more freedom, in the form of rejecting Western style oligarchy. And the government answers with a wide ranging anti corruption campaign, showing that they are still on the side of freedom.

"The people" always had the ultimate say through their direct election to the national congress. The political experts execute the day to day policies but the goals of the experts are set by consulting the people.

So therefore when it was the will of the majority that we do everything to keep the most dangerous covid strains out of the country, it was done so, without caring about what elites or interest groups want. And now, if it is the will of the majority to start laying the groundworks for vastly lethality weakened covid strains to become endemic, then it will happen.

Chinese never cared much about economic growth on any significant scale. They stuck with the Deng and Mao era where the only major things that were modern was education and technology, while the people lived in fairly austere conditions.

What they want is ability to make their voice heard, ability to feel like they have a collective that got their backs no matter if things are going good or bad. As long as the communist movement stands for these points, they will last forever.
 

Overbom

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Thinking that you can beat a virus like covid forever is delusional. The only thing that needs to be discussed is not zero covid forever, but what steps to take to minimise hospitalisations and deaths before dropping or loosening zero covid

Instead of western delusions, the only thing that the Chinese government and Xi himself needs to be criticized for, is why elderly vaccination rate is so low when people have been talking over that problem since almost a year ago.

That's it
 
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