China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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BMEWS

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The consensus among Chinese military analysts is that there is a high probability that Trump will plan military action against Chinese island installations in the South China Sea. Before you say impossible, just remember how improbable it seemed for the Houston Consulate to get shutdown just a week ago.

Doesn't bode well for Chinese Americans stuck in the USA. Likely the US will go kinetic against China before November... that doesn't leave a lot of time either. And people think the Portland/Chicago round ups are bad, ain't seen nothing yet. Korematsu v. United States is gonna get overturned faster than Trump can ban tiktok
 

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Doesn't bode well for Chinese Americans stuck in the USA. Likely the US will go kinetic against China before November... that doesn't leave a lot of time either. And people think the Portland/Chicago round ups are bad, ain't seen nothing yet. Korematsu v. United States is gonna get overturned faster than Trump can ban tiktok

Where can people go? Most countries bar flights from the U.S. and tickets are very hard to come by and expensive.
 

j17wang

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Doesn't bode well for Chinese Americans stuck in the USA. Likely the US will go kinetic against China before November... that doesn't leave a lot of time either. And people think the Portland/Chicago round ups are bad, ain't seen nothing yet. Korematsu v. United States is gonna get overturned faster than Trump can ban tiktok
Where can people go? Most countries bar flights from the U.S. and tickets are very hard to come by and expensive.

I think china still allows flights, you just have to stay quarantined. Also, Canada (where I live) would likely accept asylum refugees, although people have rightly pointed out that China is not popular, Canadians are still extremely sympathetic to visible minorities, we have been watching non-stop coverage of George Floyd protests so we have extremely low regard for Donald Trump as well.
 

muddie

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The consensus among Chinese military analysts is that there is a high probability that Trump will plan military action against Chinese island installations in the South China Sea. Before you say impossible, just remember how improbable it seemed for the Houston Consulate to get shutdown just a week ago.

Really? Haven't seen anything on this.

U.S. military action against China in SCS would have to start with U.S. strikes, meaning U.S. would be the obvious aggressor here. There is no way Trump can get enough internal support to do that.

The GOP paints itself as tough guys but I don't think the GOP is ballsy enough to do that because any military confrontation against China could easily spin out of control. Closing Houston consulate and starting a war are not even in the same ball park.
 

AssassinsMace

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I'm waiting to see if the US arrests Chinese coming out of the consulate as they're leaving. There were already incidents of US agents who searched though Chinese diplomatic pouches outside the consulate in the guise that they were searching for stolen intellectual property. Don't forget how Fed Ex "mistakenly" diverted packages from Huawei within Asia to the US...
 

BMEWS

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Nothing much that I can think of... I'm currently in Texas (deep red state) and as a US citizen China won't even take me back. Before the whole COVID thing I used to think well can always go to Canada, New Zealand, etc if things get bad enough, but that's not an option anymore with all the China hatred in the 5eyes nations...

There are two threats that I can see, different types of threats for the Chinese American living in USA. The first is institutionalized threat of government decree. If US goes to war with China, Trump has the power to declare an EO and round up all the Chinese Americans... not much anyone can do about it. My guess is they would start by first freezing the bank accounts of all Chinese Americans or Chinese living in America... so unless you have some cash on hand you are literally SOL. Next is by then TikTok and WeChat will be banned, so its much harder to communicate with Chinese folks back in China or even other Chinese folks in the USA without being spied on and worse, when WeChat is not an option anymore you are forced to use the likes of fb, gmail, etc and believe me if the US gov ordered these companies to freeze or lock the accounts of all Chinese Americans on account of hot war, they won't bat an eye...

So without money, without means of communication, it would be hard to do anything. You can't fly anywhere, borders are closed and then the government can simply reclaim your car title, house , passport, license, etc its all digital and electronic these days, they can do this literally overnight and all Chinese American's wake up to the horrible news the next morning... people will be waking up and realizing they cannot log into their company VPN anymore because their Active Directory account got canned because the US government told their employer that you were labeled as enemy combatant. Without a job, with your bank account frozen, 401k forfeitured, well you get the point.

The other threat is the local threat by people in the population... your every day Americans (esp white guys) out of a job, maybe their grandma died of COVID, they see their great leader Trumps MAGA 2020 relection hopes going up in smokes, and its all because of the Invisible China Virus... some of these people will lose it and go postal and kill a bunch of Asain Americans... its almost bound to happen. This threat one can only mitigate by going out of the house as little as possible, being in public places as little as possible... Buying a rifle and handgun for self protection...

Rent is due for many Americans, the rent freeze is ended, in next coming weeks a good portion of Americas will be evicted and on the streets.. people wont' be able to afford food, the unemployment benefits are ending... its gonna get wild... this is not even taking into account many experts see there is a real chance the US dollar could suddenly collapse this year, if that happens all bets are off... If US attacks China in the SCS all bets are off...

I hope I'm wrong about all of this, but if in the beginning of the year people were told it was gonna get this bad by July, most people would have dismissed it as conspiracy theory or doomer thinking....
 
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j17wang

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The consensus among Chinese military analysts is that there is a high probability that Trump will plan military action against Chinese island installations in the South China Sea. Before you say impossible, just remember how improbable it seemed for the Houston Consulate to get shutdown just a week ago.

I think at this point its pretty much guaranteed. Attack will likely come from CBGs or SSN cruise missiles as no nation will allow US to launch strikes from their territory. Best option is to put a few civilian fishing ships near the islands, and start intense shadowing of USN CV and SSN assets in West Pac and Indian Pacific using China's entire drone fleet, and get diplomatic lines ready in all Belt + Road and alliance countries for coordinated UN action as soon as an attack hits.

Video footage needs to be captured using drones/satellite of a 1st strike on Chinese assets, which can be instantly broadcast to the world. At the same time, no need to keep large amounts of military assets at the islands which will destroyed anyways. Trump would probably want the action to come around mid-October to boost his chances or provide rationale to cancel the elections outright.

If we look at how many Chinese vaccines are in PH III right now, mid-October is a minimal viable date for vaccine candidates in Brazil, UAE, and Pakistan, and several others to be announced as effective. If China can avoid getting kinetic until mid-October, this would allow an unprovoked attack with several hundred Chinese civilian casualties to be coordinated with the announcement of a Chinese vaccine to the world. Civilian casualties on the island will be the martyrs to unite an overseas diaspora of millions and 1.4 billion Chinese at home in a way unimaginable or available to the current government.
 

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The deepening enmity of US-China strategic rivalry is eroding core CCP assumptions that competition would remain bounded – by nuclear deterrence, deep economic integration, shared stewardship of financial stability and cooperation on global challenges such as pandemics – and may be amplifying Beijing’s assessment that the US is on a trajectory to pursue overthrow of the CCP as a strategic goal.
 
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