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I don't think it is a case of being incoherent - just hypocrisy coupled with arrogance.
China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?
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I don't think it is a case of being incoherent - just hypocrisy coupled with arrogance.
escobar
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You are very very funny. At least you are not fully hypocritical
I was the one saying China should adopt realism in IR/PR not trying to projet itself like a good guy. It is you who were talking about unfairness and complaining and whining about everything.
You still don't get it.
escobar
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Yes it is, but arrogance does not exclude being coherent, specially in IR. US is very arrogant.
China is new to all that, so they are still learning to be a great power...
manqiangrexue
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Now that would be like the US but that is somewhere China does not accompany it.
That's fine with me.
And you focused on the wrong part again. I said unfair to show that since the US stepped out of the rules of global trade and decency, China can follow, NOT that the US needs to adhere to them. I believe in all out competition.
Yeah, I don't get incoherent arguments.
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In typical IR, there is a political process leading to any outcome. The differing feature between the US and China is in the manner of political process. The US like any democratic entity adopts a consultative and open process. In contrast, China being a totalitarian regime typically adopts an opaqueness and nebulous approach. This contrast can be seen between the US/China and China/Australia trade war which is on display. Whilst China complains that the US is acting like a bully, China itself is acting just like one with Australia except the difference between the two trade wars is with the political process adopted. China simply decides it want to punish Australia through unilateral action. No initial consultation, refuses to discuss it and hide behind some administrative excuses. That is arrogance and hypocritical in behavior.
IMO it is a mindset issue. In totalitarian states, the attitude is "do what I say and not what I do". In other words, it is so used to having its way with no accountability for its actions it just treat others with lesser consideration As China has said before "China is a big country and the rest is .....".
Purely out of sadistic pleasure. If anyone crosses China, it'll break their bones just for the fun of it.
Indeed.
Oh, yes, you most certainly do.
manqiangrexue
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If Australia were as important a trading partner to China as China is to the US, then China would have no choice but to negotiate like the US too. It seems you're getting awfully worked up about China simply not wanting to do the same amount of business with you anymore. That's China's sovereign decision, right? You're not trying to bully China into wasting its time talking to you on matters of its own sovereign choice, are you? That's just harassment! Now you're trying to say that because someone tells you that he's made up his mind and has better things to do than to keep chatting with you, he's totalitarian, hypocritical, opaque, and nebulous? LOL Get at grip!
Sounds like you're calling the US a totalitarian state, which would be accurate seeing how they handle protesters recently. The US tries to force North Korea/Iran to disarm while arming itself just because it's used to having its way.
I agree that China punishing Australia won't change Australia's Huawei decision.
But it will be an object lesson for the next time Australia thinks about doing something similar. And that lesson will be noted elsewhere in the world.
That is the stick, but China also has much larger economic carrots as well for countries that do play ball.
Not very related, but I found this interesting. Take note the next time you hear people complaining of China entering Taiwan's ADIZ zone.
Maybe step back and see why these countries are doing this and the larger context. Realize that China's threats are not going to change the decision of these countries, so all the threats will do is further damage ties, and further reveal China's impotence.
Then work to improve China's relations with the Anglo countries slowly so that although Huawei is banned, the situation for other Chinese people & companies can be marginally improved gradually & over time.
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