China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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SPOOPYSKELETON

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It seems that America is becoming more like China, but with far more reach and diplomatic capital. China is losing one of its advantages, and needs to do something novel and unexpected in order to regain the momentum.
 

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Awesome. Ban all Chinese hardware.. bette


r include all those Apple iPhones made in china too. Now Americans go can back to using type writers instead of computers. Paper instead of digital.
It seems that America is becoming more like China, but with far more reach and diplomatic capital. China is losing one of its advantages, and needs to do something novel and unexpected in order to regain the momentum.


Hypothetically what would you propose?
 

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I wonder how many Chinese companies need to be banned before people realize that Chinese diplomacy needs to be better? Maybe if they start legit boycotting stuff because of muh Xinjiang Uyghurs. Maybe that will make ppl appreciate the importance of narrative control?
 

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I wonder how many Chinese companies need to be banned before people realize that Chinese diplomacy needs to be better? Maybe if they start legit boycotting stuff because of muh Xinjiang Uyghurs. Maybe that will make ppl appreciate the importance of narrative control?
Diplomacy has very little to do with it. The US just needs to feel threatened by China's power to ban a Chinese company/app and those who are scared of American power will follow. It's real fear of real power to distort the norm, which is that people just go with the product/company/service that makes their lives the easiest.
 

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Diplomacy has very little to do with it. The US just needs to feel threatened by China's power to ban a Chinese company/app and those who are scared of American power will follow. It's real fear of real power to distort the norm, which is that people just go with the product/company/service that makes their lives the easiest.

Really? Then why are people so happy to ban it? People are cheering this on, not mourning they can't use Chinese tech anymore.

Its because China allowed its reputation to crumble in the face of Western media, to the point where China is somehow equivalent to both the Nazis and the Jews. On one hand China is the authoritarian nationalist state doing le "genocide" to an "innocent" minority, on the other it is a land of filthy, enslaved, and corrupt people! This is the popular conception in America, which trickles down into other important nations.

Imagine this. Japan and South Korea think America has a better coronavirus response than China. This, despite the 20% minimum eviction rate among ALL 50 STATES. Thats how bad ur reputation is.

And that fault can be laid squarely at the feet of the CCP.
 
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Really? Then why are people so happy to ban it? People are cheering this on, not mourning they can't use Chinese tech anymore.

Its because China allowed its reputation to crumble in the face of Western media, to the point where China is somehow equivalent to the Nazis and the Jews. On one hand China is the authoritarian nationalist state doing le "genocide" to an "innocent" minority, on the other it is a land of filthy, enslaved, and corrupt people! This is the popular conception in America, which trickles down into other important nations.

Imagine this. Japan and South Korea think America has a better coronavirus response than China. This, despite the 20% minimum eviction rate among ALL 50 STATES. Thats how bad ur reputation is.

And that fault can be laid squarely at the feet of the CCP.

China should not respect the Monroe Doctrine. Build a submarine base in Mexico. Put some DF-41s in Cuba. Deploy S-400s in the Sonora-Desert. Dare the American imperialists to do something about it - they'd have 40 million Mexicans stage an uprising in their territory - good luck with that.

Notice the US never shows restraint in terms of its politicans being allowed to make false allegations of COVID being a Wuhan bioweapon..
China should have gone on the offensive and did a Collin Powell and suggested it had hard evidence that COVID19 was a CIA biovirus to frame and malign China and use the false attribution to brainwash the world in ganging up against China and directly benefitting America.
 

manqiangrexue

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Really? Then why are people so happy to ban it? People are cheering this on, not mourning they can't use Chinese tech anymore.
Really. Because they're scared of competition from another country/race.

Its because China allowed its reputation to crumble in the face of Western media, to the point where China is somehow equivalent to the Nazis and the Jews. On one hand China is the authoritarian nationalist state doing le "genocide" to an "innocent" minority, on the other it is a land of filthy, enslaved, and corrupt people! This is the popular conception in America, which trickles down into other important nations.
There is nothing China can do about it. If I raise my children to hate you, you can live your life like a saint, but they will hate you nonetheless because that's what I taught them to do from birth. All the good you do will be framed as fake PR attempts to fool people into thinking that you are a good person and then I will make up some stories about you that nobody can prove false. You deny them and I say that is exactly what I expect a criminal like you to do. You cannot win.

Imagine this. Japan and South Korea think America has a better coronavirus response than China. This, despite the 20% minimum eviction rate among ALL 50 STATES. Thats how bad ur reputation is.
Show me the full report and show me what countries around the world think. Don't cherry-pick data.

And that fault can be laid squarely at the feet of the CCP.
Kiss those feet while you lay things in front of them because China's rise is the credit of the CCP. That international public opinion of China overtook that of the US (with China ascending as well as the US diminishing) is the credit of the CCP. Faults are of those who complain but can never do better.
 

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China should not respect the Monroe Doctrine. Build a submarine base in Mexico. Put some DF-41s in Cuba. Deploy S-400s in the Sonora-Desert. Dare the American imperialists to do something about it - they'd have 40 million Mexicans stage an uprising in their territory - good luck with that.

Venezuela is the logical basing site. But
1) That is too bold for the CCP
2) Tensions are not that bad
3) Would worsen relations with every other country in the region.

Latin America is a racially stratified nation, with many of the so called "mestizos" embracing white supremacist views. You cannot assume these countries are just waiting for liberation from American imperialism. Just look at the coup in Bolivia, and how it was widely supported by a specific class in Bolivian society.

Or how the OAS, an organization drawn from the elites of Latin America, ran cover for that coup.
 

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Really. Because they're scared of competition from another country/race.

And?

There is nothing China can do about it. If I raise my children to hate you, you can live your life like a saint, but they will hate you nonetheless because that's what I taught them to do from birth. All of your tactics will be fake, made-up attempts to fool people into thinking that you are a good person and then I will make up some stories about you that nobody can prove false. You cannot win.

Really? You are just giving up like this? Many Americans i know are afraid of sending their daughters to college. They raised them conservative, but the colleges will turn them into hyper-liberals. Conversion is real, China just sucks at it.

Now I believe that it is possible to win important countries around the world to China's side. Because the Chinese people are good of heart and have a solution to the problems American hegemony have caused. This conviction in the universality of their own virtue is what gives Muricans their persuasive power.

Show me the full report and show me what countries around the world think. Don't cherry-pick data.

Utterly irrelevant to my point. If China cannot influence its closest neighbors, neighbors with deep economic ties, if it cannot correct an OBVIOUS UNTRUTH, then that shows the weakness of Chinese soft power. And that is something that needs to be fixed.


Kiss those feet while you lay things in front of them because China's rise is the credit of the CCP. Faults are of those who complain but can never do better.

You could have said the exact same thing during the Cultural Revolution in order to defend Mao, yet we all agree here that the major strategy shift engineered by Deng was better in the long run.

Hey, how about you read some Mao yourself?

We have the Marxist-Leninist weapon of criticism and self-criticism. We can get rid of a bad style and keep the good.

In opposing subjectivism, sectarianism and stereotyped Party writing we must have in mind two purposes: first, "learn from past mistakes to avoid future ones", and second, "cure the sickness to save the patient". The mistakes of the past must be exposed without sparing anyone's sensibilities; it is necessary to analyse and criticize what was bad in the past with a scientific attitude so that work in the future will be done more carefully and done better. This is what is meant by "learn from past mistakes to avoid future ones". But our aim in exposing errors and criticizing shortcomings, like that of a doctor curing a sickness, is solely to save the patient and not to doctor him to death. A person with appendicitis is saved when the surgeon removes his appendix. So long as a person who has made mistakes does not hide his sickness for fear of treatment or persist in his mistakes until he is beyond cure, so long as he honestly and sincerely wishes to be cured and to mend his ways, we should welcome him and cure his sickness so that he can become a good comrade. We can never succeed if we just let ourselves go and lash out at him. In treating an ideological or a political malady, one must never be rough and rash but must adopt the approach of "curing the sickness to save the patient", which is the only correct and effective method.

If we have shortcomings, we are not afraid to have them pointed out and criticized, because we serve the people. Anyone, no matter who, may point out our shortcomings. If he is right, we will correct them. If what he proposes will benefit the people, we will act upon it.

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manqiangrexue

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Wow, you really need me to spell it out for you, huh? They fear competition from you China, the only country that can overturn white supremacy of the world, so they hate China.

Really? You are just giving up like this? Many Americans i know are afraid of sending their daughters to college. They raised them conservative, but the colleges will turn them into hyper-liberals. Conversion is real, China just sucks at it.
Yeah, because they sent them to a hyper-liberal college (which is every college that's not stupid in America), duh. They are surrounded by hyper-liberals. Are massive numbers of Americans being sent to China to be immersed in its culture and people? If that's the case, then I'd say China can go for it. What an idiotic comparison.

Utterly irrelevant to my point. If China cannot influence its closest neighbors, neighbors with deep economic ties, if it cannot correct an OBVIOUS UNTRUTH, then that shows the weakness of Chinese soft power. And that is something that needs to be fixed.
You mean the 2 dogs that the US put a leash on? How about the US can't get on Cuba/Venezuela's good side? Those are pretty close neighbors to the US as for as I know.

You could have said the exact same thing during the Cultural Revolution in order to defend Mao, yet we all agree here that the major strategy shift engineered by Deng was better in the long run.

Hey, how about you read some Mao yourself?
But that's not what this conversation is about, so how about you stick to the topic instead of inventing an argument for you to try to win?

This is the credit of the CCP:
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Image of U.S. Leadership Now Poorer Than China's
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