China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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SPOOPYSKELETON

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Wow, you really need me to spell it out for you, huh? They fear competition from you China, the only country that can overturn white supremacy of the world, so they hate China.

this shows a simplistic and obtuse understanding of the attitudes of Europe and the US. As if there are no differences between Europe and America that we cannot leverage.

Yeah, because they sent them to a hyper-liberal college (which is every college that's not stupid in America), duh. They are surrounded by hyper-liberals. Are massive numbers of Americans being sent to China to be immersed in its culture and people? If that's the case, then I'd say China can go for it. What an idiotic comparison.

You said conversion is impossible and I gave a counter example. Come on, there are plenty of solutions if only time and money were spent on them.

You mean the 2 dogs that the US put a leash on? How about the US can't get on Cuba/Venezuela's good side? Those are pretty close neighbors to the US as for as I know.

The US controls the rest of South America as a result of its active measures. Pretty strong proof of concept.

But that's not what this conversation is about, so how about you stick to the topic instead of inventing an argument for you to try to win?

This is the credit of the CCP:
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See, now you are doing it again. Diplomatic failure is self evident in how quickly Chinese tech is being expunged from Western aligned countries. Its China's loss.

Nobody cares if a bunch of African microstates support China, what matters are a handful of big players. Focus on the high value targets.

Also, I would love to see the same graph for 2020, after the US propaganda campaign kicked into overdrive? After corona?
 

manqiangrexue

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this shows a simplistic and obtuse understanding of the attitudes of Europe and the US. As if there are no differences between Europe and America that we cannot leverage.
Those differences are being leveraged, as per the chart. But at the end of the day, there are more differences between China and the EU than the US and the EU, mainly, race. It is not realistic, especially post-Trump, to expect that white Europe will side with China over the US.

You said conversion is impossible and I gave a counter example. Come on, there are plenty of solutions if only time and money were spent on them.
Is this selective illiteracy? It seems you have completely ignored my response. Conversion is possible, but mostly with immersion. Yourr conservative students are immersed in a liberal college culture so conversion is likely. Americans will never be immersed in Chinese culture; they are immersed in a culture controlled by the US, made for them to hate China. It would be like your conservative kids being sent to a small personal college run by Steve Bannon. Do you think their parents would be concerned about them turning liberal then? Your counter-example is nonsense and rooted under completely different, opposite circumstances.

The US controls the rest of South America as a result of its active measures. Pretty strong proof of concept.
The US is coming from being the hegemon with all of its tools and even then, there are still cracks, still governments that resist it in South America. China is rising in a world conditioned and rewarded by the US to oppose China. Just like your example above, you failed to identify the differences in circumstance.

See, now you are doing it again. Diplomatic failure is self evident in how quickly Chinese tech is being expunged from Western aligned countries. Its China's loss.
You're assuming that your assumption is correct in order to prove it correct and that's false logic. As I said, that phenomenon is attributed to fear of American retaliation, real hard power, by these countries.

Nobody cares if a bunch of African microstates support China, what matters are a handful of big players. Focus on the high value targets.
The EU has moved closer to China in Trump's reign than every before, but at the end of the day, they are still anglo-saxon and if you waste your time wanting to kiss their behinds hoping they'll like you, well, then that will be your full time job. We Chinese prefer to innovate and raise ourselves building real power rather than lip service power.

Also, in pretty much all countries African and European, the views of China are improving with the younger generation:
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BMEWS

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this shows a simplistic and obtuse understanding of the attitudes of Europe and the US. As if there are no differences between Europe and America that we cannot leverage.



You said conversion is impossible and I gave a counter example. Come on, there are plenty of solutions if only time and money were spent on them.



The US controls the rest of South America as a result of its active measures. Pretty strong proof of concept.



See, now you are doing it again. Diplomatic failure is self evident in how quickly Chinese tech is being expunged from Western aligned countries. Its China's loss.

Nobody cares if a bunch of African microstates support China, what matters are a handful of big players. Focus on the high value targets.

Also, I would love to see the same graph for 2020, after the US propaganda campaign kicked into overdrive? After corona?


Of course China has room to improve in the PR department and I would argue needs to improve. CCP if you are reading this I'm open to being offered a job doing PR for you guys!!!

Look at Senator Cotton, Rubio, all openly accusing China of creating a bioweapon and calling for reparations.. but in China they are too soft and peaceful and not once has any Chinese government official openly accused the CIA of the covid biovirus... this is an example of PR failure. One would thing after the Collin Powell UN presentation that noone would trust them again, but one would be wrong... and this has part to do with US kinetic power but also part to do with brainwashing...

But its true China is fighting uphill battle when it comes to PR. Just when China made first successful international media app the US forces TikTok to be shutdown or sold because again US has Google Play and Apple leverage to prevent China from even starting to climb that hill in the first place...

THis is my fear, that US holds enough political, soft, hard power and other leverages that it can actually successfully prevent China from ever climbing the tech ascension ladder or getting out of the middle income traps.
 

manqiangrexue

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Of course China has room to improve in the PR department and I would argue needs to improve. CCP if you are reading this I'm open to being offered a job doing PR for you guys!!!

Look at Senator Cotton, Rubio, all openly accusing China of creating a bioweapon and calling for reparations.. but in China they are too soft and peaceful and not once has any Chinese government official openly accused the CIA of the covid biovirus... this is an example of PR failure. One would thing after the Collin Powell UN presentation that noone would trust them again, but one would be wrong... and this has part to do with US kinetic power but also part to do with brainwashing...
The educated and scientific community view such claims as mental retardation, so it is good that China has not made it but the US has. At the G7, the US attempt at calling COVID-19 the Wuhan virus was blocked by the other 6 members. At the UN security meeting, America's attempt to blame China was opposed by all 13 other members. This isn't a PR failure on China's part; this is the US acting like a raging child and being laughed at while China acts like a mature adult. Of course, there will always be very low IQ people, mostly Trump's support base, that are energized by such insults and wild claims. The goal should never be to lower yourself to appeal to that level of people.
 
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2handedswordsman

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China should not respect the Monroe Doctrine. Build a submarine base in Mexico. Put some DF-41s in Cuba. Deploy S-400s in the Sonora-Desert. Dare the American imperialists to do something about it - they'd have 40 million Mexicans stage an uprising in their territory - good luck with that.

Notice the US never shows restraint in terms of its politicans being allowed to make false allegations of COVID being a Wuhan bioweapon..
China should have gone on the offensive and did a Collin Powell and suggested it had hard evidence that COVID19 was a CIA biovirus to frame and malign China and use the false attribution to brainwash the world in ganging up against China and directly benefitting America.

Whoa back off Marshall!! The last thing humanity right now is war. If nuclear exchange never happened during Cold war, the real one-that last decades and was far more cold and intensive- , it will never happen. Get over it everyone. What you are constantly describe about the situation seems to me heavy influeced by US panic mode media narrative BUT. Don't let yourself carrying from emotions. Look closer to the facts. The world is not moving around US only. China is well filling the world governance gap through sobriety and calmness and real strategic assistance to everyone. US are in a deeply bad shape and current handling is not going to resolve any of its forthcoming internal and external problems. The whole situation somehow is a gift to the world and we can be thankful that is China who can withstand some punches ( or lessons in another point of view ) , is in the place to unwrap this gift and share it to the world.
 

BMEWS

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The educated and scientific community view such claims as mental retardation, so it is good that China has not made it but the US has. At the G7, the US attempt at calling COVID-19 the Wuhan virus was blocked by the other 6 members. At the UN security meeting, America's attempt to blame China was opposed by all 13 other members. This isn't a PR failure on China's part; this is the US acting like a raging child and being laughed at while China acts like a mature adult. Of course, there will always be very low IQ people, mostly Trump's support base, that are energized by such insults and wild claims. The goal should never be to lower yourself to appeal to that level of people.


I know China would never do this, but if I were running the show, I'd create a series of TikTok videos laying out the case for a peaceful rising China as good for the world and humanity, and ultimately even good for the American people (as opposed to WWIII) and basically do a tell-all and educate them on the things that most people in this forum already knows but most American's have never been exposed to and have no knowlege of... and articulate, express and narrative it in a way for most acceptance possible, or at least planting the seed to get people curious as to the real truth about the TikTok ban, and have that lead into something more, an onramp to larger truths that they can explore and leading down that rabbit hole...

You gotta understand, you have the Trump admin and Pompeo and gang already accusing China of doing this anyway, and likely even after TikTok is sold pennies on dollar to Microsoft or whomever the US will still follow up with Douyin, WeChat, etc bans (see State Department press release) then as Trump has rhetorically asked:

"What do you have to lose?"

This would be the first firing shot in China's new PR offensive...
Sure the US would shutdown TikTok in a heartbeat but not after millions of Americans have already watched the videos... TikTok can set it so that it autoplays the moment the app is opened, kinda like an emergency broadcast message except tailored to the app itself... so when it goes out, no matter what you are doing on the TikTok app, it starts playing immediately.. I'd venture to guess a good portion of the US population would have seen it or heard about it before US gov managed to shutdown TikTok even if they acted within a few hours..
 

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Here's a headline from the rabid right wing press, the express.

Just what is Australia think it's doing? Great ways of antagonize your biggest trading partner. Do they really think Australians would go to war with China?

Is Australia such a suicidal country? And here's the question for the general public, would they go to war alone against China?
If the answer is no, then they are only so brave in beating the wardrum because they are hiding behind USA's coat tail!


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China-Australia relations hit crisis levels – PM admits WAR with Beijing possible

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BMEWS

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Here's a headline from the rabid right wing press, the express.

Just what is Australia think it's doing? Great ways of antagonize your biggest trading partner. Do they really think Australians would go to war with China?

Is Australia such a suicidal country? And here's the question for the general public, would they go to war alone against China?
If the answer is no, then they are only so brave in beating the wardrum because they are hiding behind USA's coat tail!


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China-Australia relations hit crisis levels – PM admits WAR with Beijing possible

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Im calling it now, US, UK, Aus, India and possible Japan and TW

October, SCS...
 

AndrewS

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Of course China has room to improve in the PR department and I would argue needs to improve. CCP if you are reading this I'm open to being offered a job doing PR for you guys!!!

Look at Senator Cotton, Rubio, all openly accusing China of creating a bioweapon and calling for reparations.. but in China they are too soft and peaceful and not once has any Chinese government official openly accused the CIA of the covid biovirus... this is an example of PR failure. One would thing after the Collin Powell UN presentation that noone would trust them again, but one would be wrong... and this has part to do with US kinetic power but also part to do with brainwashing...

But its true China is fighting uphill battle when it comes to PR. Just when China made first successful international media app the US forces TikTok to be shutdown or sold because again US has Google Play and Apple leverage to prevent China from even starting to climb that hill in the first place...

THis is my fear, that US holds enough political, soft, hard power and other leverages that it can actually successfully prevent China from ever climbing the tech ascension ladder or getting out of the middle income traps.

Last week, Senator Cotton also said that "slavery was a necessary evil that the Union (USA) was built on"
So have the lunatics really taken over the Senate?

And no, the US doesn't have the power to prevent China becoming hi-tech and escaping the middle-income trap.
If you run your own projections on Chinese GDP and R&D spending, you end up with some truly huge figures in 10-15 years time, despite anything the US does.
 
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