AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Why does it alarm anyone that North Korea or Iran having a handful of nukes. Back in the early part of the Cold War the US looked at China much worse than how they view North Korea today.
China MAD option
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Why does it alarm anyone that North Korea or Iran having a handful of nukes. Back in the early part of the Cold War the US looked at China much worse than how they view North Korea today.
escobar
Brigadier
Minimum deterrence doctrine is based on the belief that nobody is mad enough to start a nuclear war. So why invest huge sums in nuclear weapons?
escobar
Brigadier
because NKorea president and iran's hostility. this is not the case of China.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
You don't think anyone views China as hostile? Why do people complain about China have one aircraft carrier while when you look at the countries that do have carriers, the vast majority of them are allies to one another? Same logic as nukes. They don't want the enemy to have any capability or be able to inflict any casualties on their side. They want overwhelming superiority. There was a poster in here that I don't see anymore that said the Taliban having snipers was unfair. The US doesn't have snipers in Afghanistan? What was the scandal of pictures of US snipers urinating on the bodies of their kills? So how does the Taliban having snipers constitute being unfair? Because it's not a face to face fight? What about those US snipers? What about Chris Kyle who got fame for his sniper kills in Iraq and Afghanistan? MAD doesn't only mean "mutual assured destruction." It's the unreasonable thinking behind it and those that think it's okay. That's why you have people who think China's limited nuclear capability of a couple hundred is alarming despite they have thousands.
The irony of this thread is people are trying to apply reason when MAD is about unreasonable and illogical thinking.
escobar
Brigadier
We were talking specially about the fact that china's limited nuclear capability raising alarms the US, not in general terms.
Do you really think the pentagon is afraid of CV-16? Do not take seriously western media with their sensational title.
Nobody wants to deal with a powerful enemy, but there is what we would like and the reality.
bajingan
Senior Member
But when US and russia have more than 1500 ICBMs and China has only 250 nukes according to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, potential enemies might be tempted to launch a disarming first strike since the US nuclear doctrine is based on disarming nuclear first strike against a much larger nuclear force (soviets) during the cold war, it encourages potential enemies to commit a grave miscalculation, I cannot see how minimum deterence force helps keep China safer at all
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Herman Cain, a 2012 US Presidential candidate did not know China had nukes while running for the Republican nomination for President. There are people who to this day don't know China has nukes. I remember before the Wen Ho Lee scandal I would hear people all the time say if China had nukes the Chinese would start World War III. China has had nukes since 1964. Meaning they're alarmed over China in general terms and they still saw China as a global threat thinking the country didn't have nukes. Did Iraq under Saddam Hussein ever have the nukes that were said to be an imminent threat and the reason to go to war? The media and those in the government knew the truth and they started a war.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Mace even at the US Sino worst moments the party congress never had a rousing unified "Death to America!" chant.
And the Chinese government is not written with the destruction of another nation written into there founding documents. The Iranian nuke is a threat as it places the entire middle east in to a whole new level of instability. Additionally Iran is one of the worlds leaders of terrorist sponsorship. If Iran has nukes then the IRGC has nukes and if they have a nuclear option then so does just about every nasty nasty. As for NK they have nuclear weapons. This opens the trouble as its a president it says the UN can do nothing, says any third world dictator can and has every right to nuclear arms. No matter what there agenda or how they treat there citizens. It also opens the possibly that other Asian nations out of china will feel compelled to go nuclear, that raises tensions.
As for if China revealed a massive warload of nuclear weapons it may only force a bigger soft power offensive
And the Chinese government is not written with the destruction of another nation written into there founding documents. The Iranian nuke is a threat as it places the entire middle east in to a whole new level of instability. Additionally Iran is one of the worlds leaders of terrorist sponsorship. If Iran has nukes then the IRGC has nukes and if they have a nuclear option then so does just about every nasty nasty. As for NK they have nuclear weapons. This opens the trouble as its a president it says the UN can do nothing, says any third world dictator can and has every right to nuclear arms. No matter what there agenda or how they treat there citizens. It also opens the possibly that other Asian nations out of china will feel compelled to go nuclear, that raises tensions.
As for if China revealed a massive warload of nuclear weapons it may only force a bigger soft power offensive
escobar
Brigadier
How can you deter someone if he don't know what you are capable of?
They already said that: "among the nuclear-weapon states, China possesses the smallest nuclear arsenal."
The US and russia who have the means to know whether it's a lie or not believe this is true.