China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread

Interstellar

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Actually I don't really think this 130 ton TEL has to do with the rumored "DF-45".

Because iirc the 130 ton actually means that the total weight of TEL and ICBM combined, not the ICBM itself. The weight usually divided into half for example DF-41 is 52 ton ICBM and the 16 x 16 TEL is classified as 100 ton TEL. It would be quite reasonable, at least from my view that this 130 ton vehicle is intended for an ICBM around 65 ton weight.

Consequently this vehicle is probably from an ICBM in Trident D5 class instead of a monster like Peacekeeper. AFAIK it doesn't exist such thing in current inventory or rumors but we shall see how it unfolds.
TEL for CZ-11
 

ZeEa5KPul

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TEL for CZ-11
This doesn't make sense. The CZ-11 weighs 58 tons
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and already has a TEL (pictured in the article).
A four-stage solid launch vehicle, the Long March 11 carrier rocket is about 21 meters in length and 57.7 tonnes in weight, with its maximum diameter reaching two meters.

The DF-41 weighs 60 tons
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Xu Guangyu, a retired major general of the PLA and current strategy researcher in Beijing, previously described the missile as having a total weight of more than 60 metric tons, and capable of delivering up to 10 warheads totaling 1.6 tons. He said it would have an operational range of 12,000 to 14,000 kilometers.
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PLA Daily, the military's flagship newspaper, previously reported on its WeChat account that the DF-41 can fly at least 12,000 kilometers and be accurate to within 100 meters. It weighs about 60 metric tons and can deliver up to 10 nuclear warheads, according to the report.

Both are manufactured by CALT. Both have the same dimensions. I think the CZ-11 is a DF-41 with cheaper propellants and painted white. Why would a 30 ton heavier TEL be needed to haul around what's essentially the same rocket?
 

BoraTas

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The DF-41 is 60 tons and the HTF5980A is 40 tons. If the 60:40 split holds for this new TEL, then it's intended for a missile around 78 tons, which coincidentally fits exactly with what I heard from a very reliable source about the DF-45 (a 78 ton, 2.2m diameter missile).

However, this doesn't fit with the silos' diameter. Their diameter has been estimated at around 4.3m, and going by the two-thirds rule (missile diameter to silo diameter), they can hold missiles of diameter around 2.8m. This would be a much larger missile than this new TEL could support.

It could be that we're looking at two new missiles, a 2.2m diameter successor to the DF-41 and a 2.8m silo-based missile.
I agree. I looked at Belorussian TELs, whose specs are available.

MZKT-79221 16x16
Empty weight: 44 tonnes
Max load: 80 tonnes

MZKT-79292 10x10 (not originally designed as a TEL, derived from a truck)
Empty weight: 28 tonnes
Max load: 35 tonnes

MAZ-7916 12x12
Empty weight: 32 tonnes
Max load: 63 tonnes

These are all designs from the 1980s or 1990s. IMO for a modern hybrid design even a 65:35 split is feasible. 130-ton class would mean an ICBM up to 85 tonnes is realistic.
 

King ZhaoXiang

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Actually I don't really think this 130 ton TEL has to do with the rumored "DF-45".

Consequently this vehicle is probably from an ICBM in Trident D5 class instead of a monster like Peacekeeper. AFAIK it doesn't exist such thing in current inventory or rumors but we shall see how it unfolds.

The Peacekeeper use T-400 carbon fiber from the 1980s, today China is using T-800 at least. Which is far superior to the T-400, so DF-45 could very well be a super Peacekeeper, despite being lighter !!
 

King ZhaoXiang

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I agree. I looked at Belorussian TELs, whose specs are available.

These are all designs from the 1980s or 1990s. IMO for a modern hybrid design even a 65:35 split is feasible. 130-ton class would mean an ICBM up to 85 tonnes is realistic.

A Super Modern Peacekeeper on Ultra Steroids in the making !! :cool:

18,000 KM range !!
12+ MIRV !!
Flight Altitude >2000 KM !!
 

Kalec

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I thought I have posted it but found nothing in my post history so I may have to post it again.

Everyone has already known about the factory expansion plan of Shenyang AVIC, though nothing has taken place there yet. Meanwhile ICBM industry is building new factories at full steam ahead for a well.

先进复合材料科研生产新区统筹建设项目
"Construction project of advanced composite materials research and production"
The name may sound innocent but the devil is in detail.

The project is commissioned by 43rd Institute, which is the main supplier of carbon fiber engines in term of DF-series if not the only supplier.

The land area is around 59,000 m2, a quarter of Shenyang AVIC new factory but engine production doesn't need as many area as plane assembly plant needs anyway. The factory will have large engine molding plant and medium engine molding plant etcs. The investment will cost 400 million RMB and be schedule to complete within 3 years, so approximately around the end of 2025.

The head of CASC made an inspection trip on this new construction last week and made clear that there would be a "pulse production line" of composite engine shells like they had on liquid-fueled engines and aircraft.

总建筑面积约59003㎡,共新建DXKT成型厂房、ZXKT成型厂房、综合检测厂房、总检厂房、材料库、综合楼、地下车库、门房等多个单体;其中单层厂房结构为排架结构,多层厂房、综合楼、地下车库、门房为框架结构,材料库为剪力墙结构,单体最大建筑高度不超过20.5m,单体最大跨度不超过41m
The total construction area is about 59,003 square meters, a total of new DXKT molding plant, ZXKT molding plant, comprehensive testing plant, general inspection plant, material storage, comprehensive building, underground garage, gatehouse and other monolithic; among them, the single-story plant structure is row frame structure, multi-story plant, comprehensive building, underground garage, gatehouse is frame structure, material storage is shear wall structure, the maximum building height of the monolithic does not exceed 20.5m, and the maximum span of the monolithic does not exceed 41m. the maximum span of a single unit does not exceed 41m;
在四院洪庆航天动力产业园,吴燕生董事长重点调研了产业园总体规划和项目建设情况,听取了43所洪庆新区复合材料壳体脉动式生产线建设方案及项目工程进度,对生产线“模块化单元,流程化管理”的工艺优化思路表示赞同。吴燕生董事长要求要注重提升资产经营效益,增强生产线制造能力,切实提升型号产品在“多品种、小批量”科研生产模式下的高效益研制能力;要立足长远、超前谋划,以建设先进壳体脉动式生产线为切入点,加速提高自动化和信息化水平,提升科研生产高效益研制能力。




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Kalec

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I had a hard determining whether these beauties are DF-41 or DF-26.

On the one hand, they looks like DF-26 by their sharp head and especially the location but on the other hand, it is too long to be DF-26 and the length are more likely to be DF-41s.

Notably it is not due to Google Earth distortion. The two big sticks are about 1.5m - 2m longer than the DF-26 in the same scene.
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