China Flanker Thread III (land based, exclude J-15)

FirebirdFan

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That is for sure a R-77. But I've never seen a 77 with the colors and I see here. Also look how much further this missile pokes out towards the nose-gear due to its size, the R-77 design itself is quite short and wouldn't stick out this far, 77-1 is larger but to my knowledge the only carrier of the 77-1 in China is the Su-35. The nose section is a completely different size and shape. I will add another image of an 11A below followed by 11B/BS carrying PL-12 on center station. To me this looks much more like these PL-12s.


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Schwerter_

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That is for sure a R-77. But I've never seen a 77 with the colors and I see here. Also look how much further this missile pokes out towards the nose-gear due to its size, the R-77 design itself is quite short and wouldn't stick out this far, 77-1 is larger but to my knowledge the only carrier of the 77-1 in China is the Su-35. The nose section is a completely different size and shape. I will add another image of an 11A below followed by 11B/BS carrying PL-12 on center station. To me this looks much more like these PL-12s.


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I personally have no idea what that particular missile is, but PLAAF has conducted projects on integrating the PL-12 on J-11A, although what is (probably) widely believed is that these projects ended without PLAAF actually operating their J-11A with pl-12.

Or that’s the belief up till now. If the pictures you posed are indeed PL-12, and are recent pictures, it may shed some new light on this topic

Edit: for anyone interested, I think this podcast hosted by Shilao and Yankeesama talked about the integration attempt of PL-12 onto J-11A at some point. It’s also an exceedingly interesting podcast for anyone generally interested in Sino-flanker history

 

FirebirdFan

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I personally have no idea what that particular missile is, but PLAAF has conducted projects on integrating the PL-12 on J-11A, although what is (probably) widely believed is that these projects ended without PLAAF actually operating their J-11A with pl-12.

Or that’s the belief up till now. If the pictures you posed are indeed PL-12, and are recent pictures, it may shed some new light on this topic

Edit: for anyone interested, I think this podcast hosted by Shilao and Yankeesama talked about the integration attempt of PL-12 onto J-11A at some point. It’s also an exceedingly interesting podcast for anyone generally interested in Sino-flanker history

The images I used are from 2018.

I wish I could listen to that video, but I don't speak the language :(
 

siegecrossbow

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I personally have no idea what that particular missile is, but PLAAF has conducted projects on integrating the PL-12 on J-11A, although what is (probably) widely believed is that these projects ended without PLAAF actually operating their J-11A with pl-12.

Or that’s the belief up till now. If the pictures you posed are indeed PL-12, and are recent pictures, it may shed some new light on this topic

Edit: for anyone interested, I think this podcast hosted by Shilao and Yankeesama talked about the integration attempt of PL-12 onto J-11A at some point. It’s also an exceedingly interesting podcast for anyone generally interested in Sino-flanker history


Not J-11A, Su-30MK2.
 
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