China Flanker Thread II

[Deino]

Does 98th share a base with 99th? If so maybe the number reflects aircraft at the base rather than just 98th Bde? Anyway 9th batch, how many -per batch do we think? 30?

I don't think so ... 98th is home at Chongqing-Baishiyi and the 99th at Kashgar and anyway they won't have the same numbers.

Concerning the size of a Batch, the always highest number seen for Batch 01-09 - wit the exception of Batch 03 - was 24. For batch 03 a 0328 is known.

 

[Maikeru]

I don't think so ... 98th is home at Chongqing-Baishiyi and the 99th at Kashgar and anyway they won't have the same numbers.

Concerning the size of a Batch, the always highest number seen for Batch 01-09 - wit the exception of Batch 03 - was 24. For batch 03 a 0328 is known.

I thought Kashgar was rotational units only? Same with Hotan and the other bases near the Indian border, with the exception of some UAV units. I am just going by Scramble here.

 

[A.Man]

 

[tphuang]

So I listened through Shilao's recent podcast. Much of which is regarding Russia/Ukraine and lessons learnt.

They commented extensively on how Russian flankers like Su-30SM and Su-34 do not even have MAWs to protect themselves from these missile attacks. Starting with J-11B, all the new Chinese fighter jets have MAWs. Even the upgraded J-11As have UV MAWs. We should expect to see more old PLAAF aircraft going through MLU to get MAWs (think J-10A).

They also mentioned that J-16s are doing a lot more A2G exercises than people think. We've only seen pictures of J-16s with rocket launchers and dumb bombs, because that's what were taken when they doing some training with it before their competition in Russia (AviaDart??) and others. They commented that J-16s did well with the rocket and dumb bomb attacks (highest score in the history of competition) because they had good avionics and the pilots are well trained.

So even though we have not seen J-16s in too many ground attack photos, we should not assume that they are deficient here.

 

[Schwerter_]

So I listened through Shilao's recent podcast. Much of which is regarding Russia/Ukraine and lessons learnt.

They commented extensively on how Russian flankers like Su-30SM and Su-34 do not even have MAWs to protect themselves from these missile attacks. Starting with J-11B, all the new Chinese fighter jets have MAWs. Even the upgraded J-11As have UV MAWs. We should expect to see more old PLAAF aircraft going through MLU to get MAWs (think J-10A).

They also mentioned that J-16s are doing a lot more A2G exercises than people think. We've only seen pictures of J-16s with rocket launchers and dumb bombs, because that's what were taken when they doing some training with it before their competition in Russia (AviaDart??) and others. They commented that J-16s did well with the rocket and dumb bomb attacks (highest score in the history of competition) because they had good avionics and the pilots are well trained.

So even though we have not seen J-16s in too many ground attack photos, we should not assume that they are deficient here.

Talking about MWS I have a somewhat old question. Barring the upgraded J-11A which has front and rear MWS coverage, afiak all other Chinese flankers starting from J-11B only have a pair of MWS on the tail, providing rear hemisphere coverage. I don't see a reason why this is so (especially the newer J-16) when many other contemporary figters have 360 degree coverage, including the also indiginous J-10C.

For the record, I don't actually have proof that J-16 has no frontal MWS coverage, and I believe Shilao's podcast did not mention J-16 specifically when talking about MWS. My statement was based on publicized pictures of J-16 taken from a number of angles, none of which showing possible MWS system mounted on the jet

 

[Franklin]

China's military has far superior electronics compared to the Russians. In 2020 China's electronics industry was worth about 350 billion dollars and the Russian electronics industry was worth about 6 billion dollars. As things stands now the gap will only grow in the future.

 

[Deino]

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[by78]

J-11BGs (with white radomes) for Naval Aviation.

 

[james smith esq]

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I didn’t see any discount coupons attached!

 

[minusone]

irony that best flanker is now produced outside russia....