China Flanker Thread II

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I think 200km of additional combat radius equates to roughly 1000kg of fuel for a Flanker airframe.

You might as well put an extra drop tank on one of the many pylons instead


But can we stop with these hypothetical discussions? No regular fighter Flanker is able to carry fuel tanks.
 

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The upgraded version of China’s J-11B fighter jet, characterized by its white radar dome compared with the original version’s black one, has featured in several recent official reports, with analysts saying that this could be an indication that more original J-11Bs will be upgraded to the latest variant in the near future.

A brigade affiliated with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Northern Theater Command Air Force conducted nighttime combat alert drills during the Spring Festival holidays, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Sunday.

Identifiable in the CCTV footage, the brigade was using the upgraded version of the J-11B, eastday.com, a Shanghai-based news website, reported on Monday.

Another CCTV report on January 31, the first day of the Spring Festival holidays, showed three upgraded J-11Bs attached to the “Eagles in East Liaoning,” an ace unit of the PLA Northern Theater Command Air Force, as the unit sent best Spring Festival wishes to the Chinese people.

The “Eagles in East Liaoning” unit was one of the first in the PLA to use the original J-11B fighter jet, so its switch to the upgraded J-11B could be an indication that more original J-11Bs will be upgraded to the latest variant in the near future, the eastday.com report said.

The improved J-11B variant with the white radar dome made its public debut in late 2019 when the PLA Air Force celebrated its 70th anniversary. Since then, it has made sporadic appearances in official reports, including a CCTV report in late 2020 and soon after a social media release by Shenyang Aircraft Company under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China, the maker of the aircraft.

None of the official reports explained the details of the differences between the upgraded variant and the original version other than the color of the radar dome, but analysts said the change of the radar dome suggests upgrades to the aircraft’s radar and avionics systems.

It has been widely speculated that the improved J-11B uses advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar to replace the original version’s pulse-Doppler radar, eastday.com said, noting that this will allow the aircraft to detect targets at longer ranges and wider angles, enjoy better situational awareness and stronger anti-jamming capability, and become capable of launching the advanced PL-15 long-range air-to-air missile.

Fu Qianshao, a Chinese military aviation expert, told the Global Times that it is unknown whether the upgraded J-11B uses an AESA radar, because the aircraft still has a pitot tube on the front of its radar dome, which could lead to compatibility issues. But it is almost certain that a better radar is being used.

With the improvement, the aircraft will remain in active service with high competitiveness for a long time, analysts said.

The PLA Air Force has a large number of J-11Bs in its arsenal, and if all of them can be upgraded, it will significantly enhance the PLA Air Force’s capability, Wang Ya'nan, chief editor of Aerospace Knowledge magazine, told the Global Times in a previous interview.
 

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The upgraded version of China’s J-11B fighter jet, characterized by its white radar dome compared with the original version’s black one, has featured in several recent official reports, with analysts saying that this could be an indication that more original J-11Bs will be upgraded to the latest variant in the near future.

A brigade affiliated with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Northern Theater Command Air Force conducted nighttime combat alert drills during the Spring Festival holidays, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Sunday.

Identifiable in the CCTV footage, the brigade was using the upgraded version of the J-11B, eastday.com, a Shanghai-based news website, reported on Monday.

Another CCTV report on January 31, the first day of the Spring Festival holidays, showed three upgraded J-11Bs attached to the “Eagles in East Liaoning,” an ace unit of the PLA Northern Theater Command Air Force, as the unit sent best Spring Festival wishes to the Chinese people.

The “Eagles in East Liaoning” unit was one of the first in the PLA to use the original J-11B fighter jet, so its switch to the upgraded J-11B could be an indication that more original J-11Bs will be upgraded to the latest variant in the near future, the eastday.com report said.

The improved J-11B variant with the white radar dome made its public debut in late 2019 when the PLA Air Force celebrated its 70th anniversary. Since then, it has made sporadic appearances in official reports, including a CCTV report in late 2020 and soon after a social media release by Shenyang Aircraft Company under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China, the maker of the aircraft.

None of the official reports explained the details of the differences between the upgraded variant and the original version other than the color of the radar dome, but analysts said the change of the radar dome suggests upgrades to the aircraft’s radar and avionics systems.

It has been widely speculated that the improved J-11B uses advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar to replace the original version’s pulse-Doppler radar, eastday.com said, noting that this will allow the aircraft to detect targets at longer ranges and wider angles, enjoy better situational awareness and stronger anti-jamming capability, and become capable of launching the advanced PL-15 long-range air-to-air missile.

Fu Qianshao, a Chinese military aviation expert, told the Global Times that it is unknown whether the upgraded J-11B uses an AESA radar, because the aircraft still has a pitot tube on the front of its radar dome, which could lead to compatibility issues. But it is almost certain that a better radar is being used.

With the improvement, the aircraft will remain in active service with high competitiveness for a long time, analysts said.

The PLA Air Force has a large number of J-11Bs in its arsenal, and if all of them can be upgraded, it will significantly enhance the PLA Air Force’s capability, Wang Ya'nan, chief editor of Aerospace Knowledge magazine, told the Global Times in a previous interview.
Not only the J-11Bs, but the J-11As and J-10As also need AESA upgrades. No fighters could survive a modern BVR combat without AESAs.
 

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Not only the J-11Bs, but the J-11As and J-10As also need AESA upgrades. No fighters could survive a modern BVR combat without AESAs.

J-11As are so old that they are not worth AESA upgrades. Same for Su-30s, JH-7/As.

Some of the more recent J-10As may be worth an AESA upgrade, but I suspect many of the ones built before 2010 are running out of airframe hours to make it worth it.
 

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Not only the J-11Bs, but the J-11As and J-10As also need AESA upgrades. No fighters could survive a modern BVR combat without AESAs.
it's interesting to count how many fighters around the world actually have AESA as of 2022, even among powers with non-token airforces.
Not sure the ratio is over 15-20%.
Even together with PESAs it probably won't climb over 40%.

Overall, this is a great overstatement.
 

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Does anyone know if the J16 was purely based on a chinese development of the J11/Su27 or whether they took inspiration from the Su30Mkk as well?

It did ... just look at the airframe changes like the IFR-probe, the taller tails + larger rudders, the strengthened landing gears and as such most likely also stronger airframe. It is de facto a Su-30MKK-based type much more than a Su-27UBK or J-11BS based one.
 

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it's interesting to count how many fighters around the world actually have AESA as of 2022, even among powers with non-token airforces.
Not sure the ratio is over 15-20%.
Even together with PESAs it probably won't climb over 40%.

Overall, this is a great overstatement.
Aren't all of the USAF's F-15s and USN's F/A-18s AESA-armed? At least all the F-15Cs and Es (Backbone of USAF) have received AESA upgrades. Only the F-16s still needed to be upgraded to the V version.
 
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