The first is a J-11A while the second photo shows J-11B. They are different planes from different regiments.
China Flanker Thread II
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The first is a J-11A while the second photo shows J-11B. They are different planes from different regiments.
Deino got several interviews from Western defense journalists in the past too.
J-11B vs J10B (my guess based on context) in golden helmet contest
- The J-11B pair eventually won
- The golden helmet is a "single elimination tournament" type of contest
- Different types of jets can fight each other
- J11-B has disadvantage in BVR. But in this situation they won because J-10B pair got too close.
- J11-B has advantage in close-range
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SinoSoldier
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I have trouble believing that the J-11B has an advantage at close range, unless two pilots of differing skill levels were involved.
The news story was way back from Nov 2017. This latest story is the pilot's notes on the same event. So he said those things from the point of view of a J-11B pilot
Quickie
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With a bigger radome, the J-11B would have advantage in BVR with its bigger and therefore more powerful radar than the J-10B.
Otoh, the information, if accurate, point to the J-10B being able to gain the advantage in BVR over the J-11B, possibly in spite of its bigger and more powerful radar, by being stealthier with the use of DSI and by the fact of it being smaller size.
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manqiangrexue
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I had previously also made that false assumption. It turns out J-11B is in much need of MLU and avionics upgrade as its radar is much inferior to the systems on J-10B/C.
Actually J10B has a better radar (PESA) vs. J11B's PD. The same pilot lost to J10 (A or B) in the past, this is the first time he won. So I actually read the story with a bit of despair for Chinese Flankers. They finally figured out how to use J11B this year! On the other hand, J10 being a domestic product, has quicker/shorter iterations, is more mature in avionics, despite being much smaller. If they continue the same rates of improvements I can't see J11's future after a really short time. Maybe 2017 is the peak of Chinese flankers.
So the Flanker won, and that's bad huh??? for the Flanker??? NAW,,, that just ain't right, sounds to me like you are "Flanker Shaming" the Chinese, probably a good thing those SU-35s weren't there??? Huh???
The Flanker is a very, very, talented aircraft, and if the avionics were up to the J-10B, it might have been easier,,, now the Flanker is a very large radar target,, lights up your screen like a barn door, the J-10B is smaller and harder to find visually or on radar? and to some extent its always going to depend on how the exercise is "set up"....
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