China Flanker Thread II

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latenlazy

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plaaf is not against focusing on BVR, just that it finds BVR to be far more complicated then the 3 first.
Didn't say they were against it. I just interpreted the post you referenced to mean that they weren't focusing on it because it wasn't as practical for what they have right now.
 

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Didn't say they were against it. I just interpreted the post you referenced to mean that they weren't focusing on it because it wasn't as practical for what they have right now.

it was talking about BVR all-along, more of a composition on how China is learning from its own training/exercises from BVR. Remember, this is a relatively new capability in PLAAF, so they are still learning how to fight properly.
 

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The point was not to diss F-15 or F-16 or Flankers, but rather to explain that just because F-15 is faster and has more power than F-16, that doesn't mean any two-engine fighters would have this edge over a single-engined fighter. F-15 simply was designed right from the start to fly faster, higher, have greater climb rate than all existing soviet fighters at that time. F-16 wasn't, it was designed to be a cheap, agile, high maneuvering fighter right from the start. It didn't become used in BVR until much later. J-10 on the other hand was designed right from the start to have be fast and have great climb rate (you can see it from its youtube videos).
The Flanker was also designed right from the start as an air superiority fighter to be fast as well as maneuverable; it certainly did not shirk power, speed, and climb rate. And it's hard to judge what the J-10 was designed for from a Youtube video. I believe the J-10 was designed to be similar in function and capability to the F-16, the earlier variants of which were certainly nothing more than lightweight air superiority fighters that were meant to be a cheap alternative to the F-15. In fact it was originally designed to outperform the Mig-21. Only the C/D versions have a real multirole capability for which the fighter is currently known. I think the J-10B and J-10BS will follow a similar evolution.
 

latenlazy

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The Flanker was also designed right from the start as an air superiority fighter to be fast as well as maneuverable; it certainly did not shirk power, speed, and climb rate. And it's hard to judge what the J-10 was designed for from a Youtube video. I believe the J-10 was designed to be similar in function and capability to the F-16, the earlier variants of which were certainly nothing more than lightweight air superiority fighters that were meant to be a cheap alternative to the F-15. In fact it was originally designed to outperform the Mig-21. Only the C/D versions have a real multirole capability for which the fighter is currently known. I think the J-10B and J-10BS will follow a similar evolution.
It's not just about what role they were designed for, but how they fulfill those roles. How they fulfill it will reflect tactical theories and war doctrines of each side. Even if they're both air superiority fighters the Flanker's airframe was designed to accomplish this role for subsonic high maneuvarability dog fighting while the F-15's accomplished air superiority through high acceleration and climb rates. They're both very accomplished fighters, but they're optimized for different tactics.

Just the J-10 and the F-16 have very similar looking airframes on first appearances (I emphasize first appearance) doesn't mean they were designed to fulfill similar roles or engage in similar tactics (not necessarily saying that that's what you claimed though). If we don't have good information on what the J-10 is capable of it's probably better not to assume based solely on pictures (again not necessarily saying you asserted that).
 

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The Flanker was also designed right from the start as an air superiority fighter to be fast as well as maneuverable; it certainly did not shirk power, speed, and climb rate. And it's hard to judge what the J-10 was designed for from a Youtube video. I believe the J-10 was designed to be similar in function and capability to the F-16, the earlier variants of which were certainly nothing more than lightweight air superiority fighters that were meant to be a cheap alternative to the F-15. In fact it was originally designed to outperform the Mig-21. Only the C/D versions have a real multirole capability for which the fighter is currently known. I think the J-10B and J-10BS will follow a similar evolution.

When J-10 was developed, it certainly had much higher flight performance in mind right from the outset of the development. Keep in mind, that when the requirements were set, China had yet to purchase Su-27. J-10 was designed to counter both su-27/mig-29. Consider that and the high speed requirements of J-9, you can get an idea of J-10's original requirements. The variable intake of J-10 should tell you a lot.
 

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Unless it's misquate,this article claim that type-1471 has max.detection range of 350km.let us put it this way CEASAR AESA radar for EF-2000 has max. detection range of 400km,while APG-77,at 380~390km range.
last year,there is a picture of two J-11B ,each with different nose, which mean PLAAF may be testing new gen. FCR radar to replace the slotted array antenna.
instead of a all new radar to to minimized risk,more likely that radar incoporate some modification,replacing the mechanical slotted antenna with PESA or AESA antenna.similiar to USAF APG-64V-5 AESA
 
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Just one note: This is the "China Flanker Thread II" ... and You are slightly off-topic !

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Unless it's misquate,this article claim that type-1471 has max.detection range of 350km.let us put it this way CEASAR AESA radar for EF-2000 has max. detection range of 400km,while APG-77,at 380~390km range.
last year,there is a picture of two J-11B ,each with different nose, which mean PLAAF may be testing new gen. FCR radar to replace the slotted array antenna.
instead of a all new radar to to minimized risk,more likely that radar incoporate some modification,replacing the mechanical slotted antenna with PESA or AESA antenna.similiar to USAF APG-64V-5 AESA

Who told you antenna technology form has something to do with radar range? You can bounce off radio signals from the moon with an amateur ham set.

What determines range is how long the radar set waits for the echo before sending out the next signals. Longer ranged signals, means longer wait times in direct proportion to the distance divided by the speed of light. It also means tracking becomes slower, and there's nothing technology can do about it since it all physics.
 

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grabbed from a video
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