China Flanker Thread II

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i did not say the bought them, i said Venezuela has expressed to Moscow the desire to buy it and they are negociating its purchase, in July 2012, Hugo Chavez expressed to Moscow Venezuela`s desire of buying Su-35s.


Su-35 series production won`t start before 2013, by 2013 Sukhoi will be able to deliver to the RuAF and foreign customers Su-35s.

Only time will tell if China buys it, but Venezuela has already expressed interest and requested Moscow the basic information for the purchase, in few words they might be alreadu negociating the first export of Su-35s

in fact the title of Voice of Russia says in Spanish



Venezuela quiere comprar cazas rusos Su-35: La Voz de Rusia

Venezuela wants to buy Su-35s

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China is not interested in Su-35 and
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. There is no reason for China to select an inferior product over domestic alternatives such as J-20.

The claims about Venezuela wanting to buy the Su-35 has much similarities with the claims made about China. Both claims flip flopped between saying an order has already been placed and the country is expressing an interest. In fact,
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, yet nothing materialized. We are now in 2012 and the claim has to go back in saying Venezuela expressed an interest to justify why Venezuela has yet to have any Su-35.

You said that Su-35 won't go into production until 2013, and only until then will Sukhoi be able to make deliveries to foreign customers. That's not the case. Rather, production cannot begin until there is a customer, and there was no customer until Russian Air Force placed an order. At the end of the day, Su-35 still made a total of zero export.
 

cn_habs

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Russians spreading rumors about Su-35 to China and other countries can keep dreaming. Even the Indians aren't buying it given the countless complaints they had with Su-30MKIs.
 
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China is not interested in Su-35 and
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. There is no reason for China to select an inferior product over domestic alternatives such as J-20.

The claims about Venezuela wanting to buy the Su-35 has much similarities with the claims made about China. Both claims flip flopped between saying an order has already been placed and the country is expressing an interest. In fact,
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, yet nothing materialized. We are now in 2012 and the claim has to go back in saying Venezuela expressed an interest to justify why Venezuela has yet to have any Su-35.

You said that Su-35 won't go into production until 2013, and only until then will Sukhoi be able to make deliveries to foreign customers. That's not the case. Rather, production cannot begin until there is a customer, and there was no customer until Russian Air Force placed an order. At the end of the day, Su-35 still made a total of zero export.

Look your mistakes always make you fall more than once
Do you understand spanish? well i do and here is Chavez proving you wrong
[video=youtube;yhCGQJRIhW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhCGQJRIhW8[/video]

This is Chavez him self saying "We have sent a message to the Russian government about our willingness to consider the possible purchase of the Su-35 to Russia as a first step for a buy of Su-35s for the venezuelan air force of the latest Su-35, i saw the jet my self in russia a few years ago" the rest is your typical way of asking things, about China only Interfax said the negociations are held; in the case of China i do not know, but it shows you that what Russia says is not a lie, niether a commercial plot

it simply means Russia and Venezuela are negociating a possible Su-35 purchase and Venezuela has interest in buying the Su-35
 
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MiG-29

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Russians spreading rumors about Su-35 to China and other countries can keep dreaming. Even the Indians aren't buying it given the countless complaints they had with Su-30MKIs.

The Indians are buying PAKFAs, MiG-29Ks and have the largest Su-30MKI license production even building a TVC nozzles AL-31s, they will buy 200 SU-30MKI and 200 PAKFAs

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China is not interested in Su-35 and
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. There is no reason for China to select an inferior product over domestic alternatives such as J-20.

The claims about Venezuela wanting to buy the Su-35 has much similarities with the claims made about China. Both claims flip flopped between saying an order has already been placed and the country is expressing an interest.

At this point, neither the J-20 or T-50 are through the prototype testing stage, due to the news black out on both, there is no way to know for certain how they are doing or where they are in the test phase. Picking the J-20, have they begun testing in the slow flight/stall/post stall flight regime? How does it handle when supersonic, how fast will it supercruise. The Su-35 is an extension of the Flanker genetics, it will be in production very shortly, it is supermanueverable, it will reportedly supercruise, it does have TVC, which is quite advantageous in an aircraft the size of a Flanker, and it is likely a match for the J-10, and will certainly outperform the J-11 family in the upclose and personal dogfight, to call it inferior is simply innaccurate. Yes the Venezuelans are interested, no they may not buy many if any, but then nobody is buying too much of anything and most countries in the JSF consortium have backed off some of their buy, and some have backed off everything but their school house birds. The PLAAF and the PLAN are building domestic Flankers, they lack TVC, and the avionics package offered on the Su-35, if China could buy two instead of fifty, its likely the check would be in the mail. IMHO, so lets deal with reality and when we resort to cheerleading for the home team, yes I do it too, and the reality of TVC from a USAF perspective is that it makes the Raptor a winner in the low speed furball, and no the Indians were not able to employ their aircraft to their full capability, because it is quite hairy to perform the type of full on aerobatics necessary to employ those tactics. And as you have well stated, we have all moved away from the low velocity, high thrust, low energy, scratch and spit contest, but with its ability to supercruise the Su-35 is a definate player there as well, so lets give credit, where credit is due.
 

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Can we please again all Russian Su-35 hype, Venezula's or a non-Indian interest in the Su-35 and again that off-topic discussionout of a "China Flanker Thread II" ????

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Deino

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Finally # 1601 !!! (via CDF)

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Schumacher

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Finally # 1601 !!! (via CDF)

Deino

Now there's your most advanced Flanker in the world right there, other than T50 of course. :)
Unlike the 'other one' where they just stick an overrated TVC on it to impress the fanboys but unable to get anyone to spend real money to buy any.
 

Deino

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... a bit better !!!

Come on and show us that damn thing. :(
 

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Dizasta1

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I don't understand this ..... China built the J-11A to replace the Su-27s, since there was no other option because they couldn't integrate Chinese weapons on the Russian fighter-jet. Then China furthered it's attempts to refine and build an advance and more capable version of the J-11B. Which by any standards, is a remarkable aircraft for the PLAAF. Then China found the need to equip its Navy's Aircraft Carrier with a fighter-jet both potent in technology and capability, this was in the shape of J-15 (with canards). Now I am hearing that there is a new Flanker-derivative fighter emerging, called the J-16?

Is J-16 suppose to be the next evolutionary step in the development of the J-11 series? Or is it the two seater-version of the J-15? Is the J-16 meant for the PLAAF or PLAN??

Help!
 
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