China Flanker Thread II

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Chavez already asked information about Su-35, so all what you say is typical of you, do you read spanish do you?

El presidente venezolano, Hugo Chávez, ha expresado a Moscú su interés en comprar una flota de 35 cazas Sukhoi Su-35S, que se ha convertido la principal aeronave de las Fuerzas Armadas de Rusia, como parte de sus esfuerzos para hacer de esa nación sudamericana una potencia militar

Seems you are unable i will do it for you

El presidente venezolano, Hugo Chávez, ha expresado a Moscú su interés en comprar una flota de 35 cazas Sukhoi Su-35S

Hugo Chavez has requested in Moscow his (nation`s) desire to purchase a fleet of 35 Su-35s


So it seems you lack knowledge too in the Rafale adquisition but what can you do.


So it seems Venezuela will be the first buyer of Su-35.

Repeating rumors won't magically make them true. The rumor about China's purchase in Su-35 was repeated many times in the past, which turned out to be false when China fed up and explicitly denied it. Thus, claims about a country is going to purchase Su-35 should be taken with a grain of salt. Similar rumor was made about Brazil going to buy the Su-35,
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. The rumor about Venezuela becoming the first buyer of Su-35
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, with delivery date cited to be 2010. That delivery date came and went, and the purchase remains nothing more than a rumor about Venezuela's interest to this day.

What these show is that some people cannot accept the reality of Russia becoming irrelevant in today's fighter aircraft market. All they could do is repeat fantasies all day and hoping that there may be a chance for the fantasies to come true.

Now Su-35 never was offered in the MRCA tender, that is a Flat lie of you but what i can expect from you?

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Russia offered to India the upgrade of Su-30 and India already builds Al-31 with TVC nozzles

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18/07/2012 21:38 do you see the date? last month hahha
.En un acto público realizado este miércoles, Chávez ha revelado que se puso en contacto con Moscú para "evaluar la posibilidad de adquirir en los próximos años una flota de Sukhoi 35 para seguir modernizando y fortaleciendo el poderío militar defensivo de Venezuela". "¿Quien se podía imaginar que nosotros íbamos a tener el caza mas moderno del mundo? Bueno, allí lo...
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Was India offered the Su-35? The answer is
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. Was the offer rejected? The answer is also yes. There you have it.

It is interesting to note that Sukhoi was planning to export 160 aircraft, which coincidentally covered India's need for 126 aircraft, with 34 remaining for the smaller customers of Algeria and Malaysia. In any case, rejection of the Su-35 reflects India's lack of interest in the plane. Subsequently, India held the MRCA competition in the hopes of acquiring technologies from Europe.
 

MiG-29

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It is interesting to note that Sukhoi was planning to export 160 aircraft, which coincidentally covered India's need for 126 aircraft, with 34 remaining for the smaller customers of Algeria and Malaysia. In any case, rejection of the Su-35 reflects India's lack of interest in the plane. Subsequently, India held the MRCA competition in the hopes of acquiring technologies from Europe.

Venezuela está interesada en la adquisición de cazas rusos Su-35 de uso múltiple, según anunció el 18 de julio el líder del país sudamericano, Hugo Chávez.
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those news are from July 2012 it says Venezuela is interested in purchasing Su-35
 
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MiG-29

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Interested and buying it .. are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS !

i did not say the bought them, i said Venezuela has expressed to Moscow the desire to buy it and they are negociating its purchase, in July 2012, Hugo Chavez expressed to Moscow Venezuela`s desire of buying Su-35s.


Su-35 series production won`t start before 2013, by 2013 Sukhoi will be able to deliver to the RuAF and foreign customers Su-35s.

Only time will tell if China buys it, but Venezuela has already expressed interest and requested Moscow the basic information for the purchase, in few words they might be alreadu negociating the first export of Su-35s

in fact the title of Voice of Russia says in Spanish



Venezuela quiere comprar cazas rusos Su-35: La Voz de Rusia

Venezuela wants to buy Su-35s

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A.Man

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I Don't Think Venezuela Is Going To Buy This Russian (Su-35) White Elephant!

A Hear Say: The TVC is last less then 50 hours.
 
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MiG-29

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I Don't Think Venezuela Is Going To Buy This Russian (Su-35) White Elephant!

A Hear Say: The TVC is last less then 50 hours.
MEXICO, July 19 (RIA Novosti)
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Thursday he is interested in buying Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E multirole fighter jets from Russia to enhance his country’s defense capabilities.

“I have already sent a statement to the government of Russia that we are ready to consider buying in the next few years Su-35 fighters to modernize and enhance our defense powers,” Venezuela’s national radio quoted Chavez as saying.

The president said that the issues of security, defense and the development of the country should be the priority for the government of Venezuela within the frames of the national independence provision
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Naval J-11BS. A first at Hainan:

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Lion

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Can we say J-11BS actually capable of multi-role? Intercepting and carry out strike?? If not, I don't think they will place them at Hainan, such a strategic area.

While J-16 probably received some very dedicated fire control and ECM?
 

Franklin

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So, why China develops J-16 Fighter-bomber?

Recently a picture of China’s new fighter-bomber appeared on the network, it could be the legendary PLA Air Force J-16 fighter-bomber.

I believe that it is one kind of fighter-bomber aircraft, mainly because its front landing gear uses a dual-wheel and two-seat Su-27UBK and J-11BS’s use single wheel. Two-wheel shows the aircraft weight increase and at the same time requires the ability to landing on the poor conditions of airports, these are the typical fighter-bomber features.

Before the 3rd generation fighters, two-seater fighter-trainer aircraft only exist as a pilot’s training. After the 3rd generation fighter birth, this situation can not be maintained. The 3rd generations of aircraft usually have more advanced technologies, such as high-thrust turbofan engine, advanced avionics, fly-by-wire and composite materials are expensive, but if you only used to perform simple flight training mission, is obviously a waste. Besides, fighter-trainer aircraft itself also has a good tactical and technical performance, you can also perform many combat missions, in particular, is that it increases a crew member, you can share navigation, weapon control functions to reduce the burden on the pilot and the fighter is more suitable to perform some long-range combat missions: such as long-range patrols, ground attack and so on.

Israeli Air Force F-15D fighter not only early bear the combat mission, which is improved to be mounted electro-optical targeting cabin, dropping precision-guided bombs, but also have the ability to attack missile to launch the AGM-142 zone has become a multi-purpose combat aircraft, the European RAFLE and the EF-2000 two-seater designed from the beginning as a multi-role fighter to use the late Russian Su-27UBK fighter facelift the NO01P radar added attack mode, with the ability to launch precision-guided weapons, the Chinese Air Force conducted a comprehensive modification work on the Su-27UBK converted aircraft, either mount the R-77E active radar guided air-to-air missile to perform air superiority missions, you can also hang Upload ground missiles and precision-guided bombs for ground attack mission, has a multi-purpose combat aircraft.

Due to the few number of Su-27UBK in and Chinese Air Force and the lack of advanced training aircraft, PLA Air force has to training pilots with high intensity of Su-27UBK flying, resulting in rapid consumption of the life of these aircraft. In this case, China developed J-11BS two-seater fighter-trainer aircraft, J-11BS equipped with Chinese-made turbofan -10 engine, the nose is equipped with large-diameter pulse Doppler fire control radar, the avionics is joint avionics system based on 1553B data, with better scalability and upgrades of system. J-11BS has a glass cockpit to realize enhanced combat and attack performance with C4ISR datalinks supports.

Especially the construction of the Chinese Beidou navigation and positioning system has achieved a coverage of China and the surrounding areas, so that the Chinese Air Force can easily upgrade the existing conventional bombs to JDAM GPS-guided bombs, so that J-11BS has more methods to carry the day and night all-weather ground attack missions. Meanwhile, the Chinese airborne radar with synthetic aperture ground attack mode can detect ground targets, then target location information can be quickly acquired by Airborne Inertial Navigation System to input to the airborne satellite-guided bombs. PLA can make J-11BS with day and night all-weather precision strike capability.

However, this does not means that J-11BS fighter-bomber has equal or close to operational capability to Su-30MKK. J-11BS’s overall layout is same with the Su-27 series, so its body structure, pylons layout should be the same with the latter. According to the Su-27 specifications, it has 10 pylons, the largest weapong loading capacity could reach 6 tons, less than F-15E’s 11 tons, and Su-30MKK’s 10 tons.

J-11BS has 10 hardpoints, but four pylons on wing-tip and outer wing are light-load pylons to carry short-range air-to-air missiles, where heavier ground attack weapons can not be mounted. So J-11BS actually only has six heavy-load hardpoints. J-11BS inherites the advantages of the Su-27 series larger fuel load space, the machine can carry a maximum of oil over 8 tons. But the J-11BS still has its own limitations, first of all J-11BS four pylons under the fuselage, two of them located in the belly center extension and two below the inlet. J-11BS is a belly air intake layout, so that two of the center of the belly is located in the crevice of the two belly inlet, so that the weapon’s length, diameter wingspan are subject to greater restrictions.

J-11BS belly intake also limits the two fuselage pylons, the two pylons in the inlet below rarely mount weapons more than 1000kg. But modern long-range air-ground striking weapons in order to ensure a range and firepower, rarely lower than this weight number. Therefore, the two pylons is actually unable to mount a large air-surface weapons. Another limit is space. Especially precision-guided weapons, such as laser-guided bombs generally have a large control surface. If these weapons loaded on two fuselage pylons, thet arevery easy to hit the ground. Obviously the practical application of the two pylons is subject to considerable restrictions.

Therefore, we can see that J-11BS has 6 heavy hardpoints, but it actually only has three when loading 1000kg level guided weapons. J-11BS, after all, is to perform air superiority as the main task. Its relatively low wing loading can guarantee the performance of the aircraft’s air combat. But in the low-altitude penetration, lower wing loading may be subject to the interference of low-level airflow, resulting in jitter and bumps of the aircraft so that the aircraft is not easy at low altitude long penetration mission. So a complex control system is needed to install to suppress the interference of low-altitude air current.

So that we can know that major improvements of J-11BS is to increase the pylons to improve the weapon loading ability. I believe that the J-16 like to add a heavy hardpoint at the wing root, in order to improve the ability of weapon carrying.
Then the aircraft related structures of fuselage and wing should be strengthened, so the aircraft empty weight, maximum takeoff weight will increase, coupled with on the aircraft need to be in conditions of landing on imperfect airports, the high-pressure single-wheel front landing gear to be replaced low-pressure dual-wheel.

Despite the pylon increase brings larger weapon plug-in capacity of the aircraft, but it also increases the resistance of the aircraft, especially when mounted the large air-surface weapons is more serious. In addition, the weight increasing causes the decrease of aircraft fuel load factor, the aircraft’s range, endurance and combat radius will be reduced. So J-16 need to added the aerial refueling system.

Some may ask, China has developed the J-20 stealth combat aircraft, why development of the 3rd generation J-16 fighter-bomber? It is believed that this relates to the inherent limitations of the stealth aircraft, such as the ground attack capability. Stealth aircraft in order to ensure the stealth performance, airborne weapons with built its bomb bay, so it is difficult to mount a 1000 kg above ground precision guided weapons. Third generation of fighter-bombers, such as Su-30MKK and F-15E, can mount the heavy air-ground missiles to perform more extensive combat and air support missions.

Therefore, for the Chinese Air Force, the future composition of J-20 and J-16 jointly air-strike mode, can effectively raising the air strike capability of Chinese Air Force.

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Venezuela está interesada en la adquisición de cazas rusos Su-35 de uso múltiple, según anunció el 18 de julio el líder del país sudamericano, Hugo Chávez.
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those news are from July 2012 it says Venezuela is interested in purchasing Su-35

To this day, the total export of Su-35 remains at zero. That's the reality. A sale is not a sale unless the contract has been signed. This shows the Su-35 is far from being superior as you claimed, as countries take a look at the plane then go from something else.
 
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