China Flanker Thread II

[Totoro]

Deino, just what missiles are those on the last three images? Or do you not know what those are either? They do look quite similar...

A new pl-12 variant is quite likely, if for no other reason that because the current iteration is just too big for j20's internal bays, one can make a more space-efficient design, which this new missile does seem to be. All that being said, we may not see it in service for another half a decade...

 

[plawolf]

Can anyone identify this missile ???

Hard to tell, but it kinda looks like a PL12 with the front fins removed.

I remember seeing pictures of AIM120s with their front fins absent, so its hardly unprecedented, although I never did get round to finding out why they would remove the front fins.

 

[Twix101]

Maybe this PL-12 is a training device ? But difficult to tell as we can't see any marking because of the picture quality, I've seen somewhere that the colors for missile recognition (meaning that ammunition in question is a dummy or not) are standardized at international level so everyone is able to know if the plane beside is actually armed or not.

 

[Deino]

operational BS

Following this (see #1291) J-11BS from the 19. Division / 57. Regiment ('31х08') it seems as if the next Division will receice their latest toys. This BS looks like for the 37. Division ... and if the number '41285' is correct, then this would be from the 111. Regiment of the 37. Division / Lanzhou MR and the first time a former J-7-unit would receive the Flanker.

Additionally a BSH without readable number for the PLANAF and a nice yellow one !

Deino

 

[tphuang]

since J-11BS are considered to be trainers in PLAAF. It should not be unexpected if these guys end up in regiments that are not all J-11Bs. I'm referring to the 19th division regiment here. Although, it does seem like these regiment in 37th division is getting new units. Basically, I have doubts that SAC can produce 2 regiments in one year. Or maybe, the ones produced in years before are finally fitting with WS-10A now.

 

[tphuang]

well, according to scramble, the J-11B are appearing in quite a few regiments.
we all know about the 1st division J-11B
According to them, the 30th division will also get J-11B. Huitong's site has a picture of a 30th division J-11B. This should be the much talked about Pulandian (PLD) regiment.
They also state that the 19th division has J-11 and J-11BS (also verified in photos). My belief is that the J-11BS are serving as trainers here and we probably won't see J-11B replacing the J-11 until a later point.
We got the photos of J-11BS joining the 37th division and one of the more respected posters on Chinese bbs stated that this was planned a couple of years ago. So, I think we can safely assume a new full J-11B/S regiment here.
They also stated the appearance of J-11B/S in 6th division at Lintao. Now, it is possible that this regiment was there temporarily and has been moved to 30th or the 37th division since.
And of course, there is also the PLANAF J-11B regiments.

So, assuming that J-11BS get used interchangeably with Su-27UBK and there are about the right ratio of J-11B to J-11BS overall. We would have at least 3 PLAAF + 1 PLANAF J-11B regiments. There is also the possibility of an additional PLAAF regiment in 6th division. Now, it seems that the conversion is not complete. But even a conservative estimates would put the number of J-11B at over 70 and probably less than 100. That would also indicate that they have produced quite a few WS-10A engines recently. At this pace, they will exceed the flankers license in no time.

 

[antiterror13]

well, according to scramble, the J-11B are appearing in quite a few regiments.
we all know about the 1st division J-11B
According to them, the 30th division will also get J-11B. Huitong's site has a picture of a 30th division J-11B. This should be the much talked about Pulandian (PLD) regiment.
They also state that the 19th division has J-11 and J-11BS (also verified in photos). My belief is that the J-11BS are serving as trainers here and we probably won't see J-11B replacing the J-11 until a later point.
We got the photos of J-11BS joining the 37th division and one of the more respected posters on Chinese bbs stated that this was planned a couple of years ago. So, I think we can safely assume a new full J-11B/S regiment here.
They also stated the appearance of J-11B/S in 6th division at Lintao. Now, it is possible that this regiment was there temporarily and has been moved to 30th or the 37th division since.
And of course, there is also the PLANAF J-11B regiments.

So, assuming that J-11BS get used interchangeably with Su-27UBK and there are about the right ratio of J-11B to J-11BS overall. We would have at least 3 PLAAF + 1 PLANAF J-11B regiments. There is also the possibility of an additional PLAAF regiment in 6th division. Now, it seems that the conversion is not complete. But even a conservative estimates would put the number of J-11B at over 70 and probably less than 100. That would also indicate that they have produced quite a few WS-10A engines recently. At this pace, they will exceed the flankers license in no time.

It is interesting. I also understand that the original 76 SU-27 imported in early 1990s have been upgraded to J-11A standard. It seems now China has more than 350 J-11/A/B and SU-30MKK/2, more than 150 J-10/A/B, more than 100 JH-7A. ... wowww ... can't imagine the strength of PLAAF/AN in 2015-2020 ... definitely will be the strongest in Asia (probably it is now) and the strongest in the world after USAAF

 

[Totoro]

Has it ever been proved that the early su27s have gotten modifications? if so, what kind? I kept hearing how they got the likes of gps and even a modded FCS so they use r77, but those were just stories. Is there proof of that? Also, is there proof regular j11s were actually modernized so they use some new systems?

As for j10 and jh7, there should be little over 200 of j10 in service (with the agressor squadron and aerobatic team) and close to 200 jh7s in service. After all, people have identified 7 regiments of j10 and 8 regiments of jh7. J10 regiments are a bit larger, plus like i said, there is also the aggressor detachment and the acrobatic team)

 

[Fjkdsn]

China Flanker Thread II is a part of Chines Defense. I think new technology developed in the China Flanker.

 

[Deino]

Finally the J-15 in NAVY-grey !