No, the two on the left are engineless, the one on the right is using the WS-10.
China Flanker Thread II
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No, the two on the left are engineless, the one on the right is using the WS-10.
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AssassinsMace
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yes and everyone is screaming for confirmation and more details.I call on Turkish citizens to help with this as there just might be more info available to them.It would be very interesting to find out more.
Schumacher
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Israel's actions don't help but Erdogan has been on a path to expand beyond traditional western/NATO relations for years with China being a big part of that effort. The Xinjiang riots forced him to go slow with China for a while due to domestic politics.
Looks like it's back on track now with Wen's coming visit and this Flanker story. If they can strike a deal on JF-17s, it'll bring it to a whole new level.
plawolf
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I honestly think the PLAAF made a mistake in not ordering a few squadrons of JF17s for themselves.
They could have used one for the August 1st display team instead of the more valuable and important J10s. With JF17s, they would have been a lot less security concerns over where the team could display. That could have helped to boost the PLAAF's international profile and also generate potential sales interest if they can put on a good show.
Another use would have been for events like this. They would have sent out the JF17 squadron to exercise with other air forces to improve 'transparency', build relations, gain valuable experience in how other air forces operate and fight, and also act as a marketing tool for the JF17.
Currently, few have seen what the JF17 can do, and the fact that the maker China has not inducted any is a big put-off to a lot of potential buyers.
Sure China could be pushing J10s instead, but how likely is it that China would also allow the kind of full ToT for the J10 as many of the most likely buyers would demand?
They could have used one for the August 1st display team instead of the more valuable and important J10s. With JF17s, they would have been a lot less security concerns over where the team could display. That could have helped to boost the PLAAF's international profile and also generate potential sales interest if they can put on a good show.
Another use would have been for events like this. They would have sent out the JF17 squadron to exercise with other air forces to improve 'transparency', build relations, gain valuable experience in how other air forces operate and fight, and also act as a marketing tool for the JF17.
Currently, few have seen what the JF17 can do, and the fact that the maker China has not inducted any is a big put-off to a lot of potential buyers.
Sure China could be pushing J10s instead, but how likely is it that China would also allow the kind of full ToT for the J10 as many of the most likely buyers would demand?
For China is was the best option to go for the J10. It does not need the quantity aspect desperately cause we all know the numbers now and the numbers in the future. Neither will it desperately need inhouse medium tech plane against a bigger enemy... It needs high tech asap, hence J10 and J11 developments first. For Pakistan the JF17 brings a reliable, inhouse fighterjet with decent capabilities and a path to grow (TOT and further to exports). For many other customers it is the same wish to be less reliable. This JF17 offers that. Which plane (even second hand) does offer BVR, HMS, IFR, Digital cockpit, simple maintenance, cheap spare parts, no political strings etc etc... If all others can afford to buy a better J10 or J11... They should get that. But there is a big difference between high low mix that is the way of doing it. Do we need J10 capabilities in big numbers? I don't think so. Does the J10 present a real market outside China (or Pakistan)? I don't believe that the numbers are comparable. Will China offer their best planes to everyone? Sounds wrong to me.
So, I think there is a bigger market for JF17 and I believe that China has other needs at the moment. Knowing that everyone can predict that if JF17 will have full China parts and improvements then there will be a moment that a large part of the outdated planes will be replaced by it. While China has L15 as an option... You see large number og K8's and even Mig21-derivative seen as a decent option. I think that the next edition of JF17 will be a valuable asset for China and will be inducted from 2015...
So, I think there is a bigger market for JF17 and I believe that China has other needs at the moment. Knowing that everyone can predict that if JF17 will have full China parts and improvements then there will be a moment that a large part of the outdated planes will be replaced by it. While China has L15 as an option... You see large number og K8's and even Mig21-derivative seen as a decent option. I think that the next edition of JF17 will be a valuable asset for China and will be inducted from 2015...
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Induct a few squadron for sake of promoting PR and export are not a very good idea. The cost will be quite hefty.
Btw, another good article to conclude why J-10 is the prefer choice for a big country like China.
I don't think FC-1 could accomplish something like that. China has already grow out of short leg point blank defence multi role fighter.. It needed some more long leg(JH-7A, J-11B and J-10)
FC-1 still exhibit fantastic performance and definitely surpass J-7G in range and capabilites. But I think that short leg shortcoming compare to J-10 is abit turn off for PLAAF top brass.
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