China Expatriate Experience

InfamousMeow

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Does that mean we're going to see more petty and resentful expats going on reddit and yt spreading anti-China propaganda in the future?

I guess there will be some as residues from the past loose immigration policies in China. But things will definitely turn better, since if those people cannot get into China in the first place, because of stricter policy, there is no petty ones to spread their resentment as a result of their non-existent fall from grace.

We can already see things are quite a bit better, especially since the start of the pandemic. Only expats with serious commitment in China either stayed in China since the start of the pandemic or quarantined for half a month to get into China. It's, for sure, been a breath of fresh air.
 

martinwagner

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They were starting to focus on this before COVID. This has alot more to do with tax evasion than anything else.
If you do not have a work visa, then technically you do not pay any tax in China.

Way back, we used to do fly in fly out into China, on a 6 and 2, or 8 and 2 roster (8 weeks on, 2 weeks off). We didn't apply for any work visa, just the standard multiple entry business visa that lets us stay 90 days at a time. No one asked, and no one checked. We ended up paying no taxes to China, while working there. (We only paid tax to our home country). Technically they should have paid around 500,000 - 600,000 RMB per year each in taxes, but paid none. Plenty of other companies did the same thing, and you can see how much personal income taxes China missed out on collecting.

The guys I work for now are far more by the books, and made us get the work visa and paid the local taxes. Just as well since from around 2018, the guys at the airport asked what I was doing in China, and if I was working, I should apply for the work visa.
The work visas were massive efforts, harder than any other country in my experience, costly too for the certification parts. Aside from the standard forms, it asks for certified degree certs translated into Chinese & stamped at your local consulate, work experience in the field they are employing you for, non criminal record certs stamped by the consulate, a full medical health examination (for things like syphilis, amongst electrocardiogram & other blood test etc) as well as employment contract with your wages etc. After all that, you gotta get your work permit in your local police office, then convert your Z visa your foreign residence permit. (The only part I like was on my card it said foreign expert haha).
You can see in that step that they find out how much you get paid and how much tax you should file. At the end of the year, you also fill out another tax form for foreigners, that shows how many days you lived in China for that year, and how many years in total. (Then you get the tax returns)

Its going to filter out alot of garbage, since most of the garbage won't meet the criteria for work visas. The guys that passes through the filter should at least be qualified for the job. If you did things by the books then you have absolutely nothing to be worried about. Chinese taxes aint that much higher anyway, unless you live in Texas or Hong Kong. You hit 45% for earnings above 960,000 RMB, that won't be likely for english teachers lol. Its a tier system going from 3% to 10% to 20% to 25% to 30% to 35% to 45%, kind of right in between Japan and Australia for the high income tiers. (200k US +)
Amazing insight, thanks for the detailed write up
 

Jianguo

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Ooooh! That's why Serpentza and his buddy CMilk went rabids in 2018!!!

Their videos turned from acceptable portrait of normal daily life in China to purely unwatchable propaganda piece in just 1-2 episodes. I was like what happened??? I have always been confused about their morphing until your post. Thank you sir! A great mystery solved!:)
These losers were always anti-Chinese even before their 180 degree turn from 2018. This was especially obvious with C-Milk who was always quick to point out the negatives in China for no reason other than to criticize. Serpentza was more subtle but it was still obvious he was playing a social media character. It's a shame their wives and children will be suffering the consequences of this. Their children will have inferiority complex ingrained into them, while their wives have already suffered the familial damage these shits have caused them. I'm still not sure if their wives actually agreed to this when they married them. Afterall, there are alot of self-hating Chinese who worship Westerners.
 

Heliox

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lol the factory owner is a clown. I can't believe factory owners allow random foreigners to tour the facility while production is ongoing, even less sending them on a paid for vacation.

First bit of their blog post says they've already paid for a US$100k order and are flying over to spot check on the production. Not quite some random foreigner.

I've toured many factory facilities all over the world (incl. China), both as an existing customer as well as a potential customer and it's always with production ongoing. Not sure why I, as a customer, would want to sight/inspect a factory that is silent and shut down.

Also, while I haven't been gifted a short holiday while waiting on processes, the various bosses have certainly been very creative with their largesse to impress upon me that I am a "valued" customer. The more memorable ones include
- calling a friend who owns a go-kart track to open after hours (like 11pm+) to let our party have a private race with their sales staff.
- hooking me up with a close friend who happens to be a curator at the Beijing National Museum for a private behind the scenes tour of the museum.
- whilst we were in Shanghai, arranging for my wife who likes Chinese tea to visit his relatives in Hangzhou for a short stay in an actual tea farming village.

Doing biz in China is still very much about guanxi and building it.
 

mossen

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I've toured many factory facilities all over the world (incl. China), both as an existing customer as well as a potential customer and it's always with production ongoing. Not sure why I, as a customer, would want to sight/inspect a factory that is silent and shut down.
I don't take FairandUnbiased seriously anymore, he's just spouting off on things he doesn't know about. Of course you're correct that customers should be able to inspect the factories making their products.
 

broadsword

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First bit of their blog post says they've already paid for a US$100k order and are flying over to spot check on the production. Not quite some random foreigner.

I've toured many factory facilities all over the world (incl. China), both as an existing customer as well as a potential customer and it's always with production ongoing. Not sure why I, as a customer, would want to sight/inspect a factory that is silent and shut down.

Also, while I haven't been gifted a short holiday while waiting on processes, the various bosses have certainly been very creative with their largesse to impress upon me that I am a "valued" customer. The more memorable ones include
- calling a friend who owns a go-kart track to open after hours (like 11pm+) to let our party have a private race with their sales staff.
- hooking me up with a close friend who happens to be a curator at the Beijing National Museum for a private behind the scenes tour of the museum.
- whilst we were in Shanghai, arranging for my wife who likes Chinese tea to visit his relatives in Hangzhou for a short stay in an actual tea farming village.

Doing biz in China is still very much about guanxi and building it.

What was your impression of their QA/QC?
 

Heliox

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What was your impression of their QA/QC?

No issues. That's from about a baker's dozen of factories. There are occasional slips but customer service and follow up has always been quick and very ready to accept responsibility.

That said, most factories that I've worked with in China have mainly been by personal recommendations from existing partners. While I've heard my fair share of "horror stories" re: China Factories, I've managed to steer clear of them by sticking to recommendations from trusted partners.
 
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