China demographics thread.

ZeEa5KPul

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"National Health Commission data shows that between 2014 and 2018, there were an average of 9.7 million abortions per year, rising about 51 per cent from the 2009-2013 average, despite a relaxation of family planning policies in 2015."

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Hell, its probably over 10 million by now if the trend continued.
I don't buy claims from the Western press about anything to do with China, but it's not an issue I care enough about to press on. Whether or not it's true, the number will come down. I think it's crystal clear that the Chinese government has launched a comprehensive campaign to address the birth rate similar to the war on pollution. That's the most important fact to draw from this.
 

hashtagpls

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Housing and fiscal strain of 'keeping up with the jones' in after school tutoring will have a big impact but i also think the government's pro-social anti celebrity crackdown is just as important; i can't help but look at "successful" capitalist asian countries like South Korea and Japan and remark at the absolute nihilistic views of their films and art, it's akin to Weimar Republic sentiments of nihilism.

Positive and pro-social films and tv programs are just as powerful as exploitative anglo directed films.
 

sinophilia

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Well, that's China levels of statistical averages; when pro-social, pro family, pro-natalist programs gain traction, you can expect to see 100s of millions of new Chinese babies every year. That's like a Germany or Japan ever single year, ready to strike fear and terror into AUKUS

Hundreds of millions? That means pretty much all Chinese women of childbearing age (yes even older women) having a kid every single year.

That's like a TFR of 30 to 40... I don't think any country or population has had that in its entire history, including hunter gatherers or settler colonial nations.

Even me the most pro-fertility guy out there would recognize that even if this was possible it should never be attempted. China should aim for a TFR higher than replacement but not significantly higher.
 

hashtagpls

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Hundreds of millions? That means pretty much all Chinese women of childbearing age (yes even older women) having a kid every single year.

That's like a TFR of 30 to 40... I don't think any country or population has had that in its entire history, including hunter gatherers or settler colonial nations.

Even me the most pro-fertility guy out there would recognize that even if this was possible it should never be attempted. China should aim for a TFR higher than replacement but not significantly higher.
LOL touche, well even if it was 10s of millions, that's still adding an Australia or Canada every year, barring the "confirmed bachelors" and "boston marriages".
 

OppositeDay

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Pure Western propaganda. There is one sentence about reducing medically unnecessary abortions in the whole document and it’s in the section about reproductive health education, improving women’s knowledge and access to contraception and letting men taking their share of responsibilities in contraception. Here’s is the relevant article.

“ 6.提高妇女生殖健康水平。普及生殖道感染、性传播疾病等疾病防控知识。在学校教育不同阶段以多种形式开展科学、实用的健康教育,促进学生掌握生殖健康知识,提高自我保护能力。增强男女两性性道德、性健康、性安全意识,倡导共担避孕责任。将生殖健康服务融入妇女健康管理全过程,保障妇女享有避孕节育知情自主选择权。落实基本避孕服务项目,加强产后和流产后避孕节育服务,提高服务可及性,预防非意愿妊娠。推进婚前医学检查、孕前优生健康检查、增补叶酸等婚前孕前保健服务更加公平可及。减少非医学需要的人工流产。加强对女性健康安全用品产品的质量保障。规范不孕不育症诊疗服务。规范人类辅助生殖技术应用。”

The context in China is a lot of men refuse to use condoms and instead pressure their girlfriends to go along with unprotected sex by telling them to get abortions if they become pregnant. And women were led by false advertisements to believe abortions to be easy and harmless. In the last data available, there were 9.6 million abortions and 17.1 million births in China in 2017. The latest data for the US was from 2018: 0.62 million abortions and 3.79 million births. Repeated abortions can have severe consequences for women’s reproductive health. Abortion is not an alternative to contraception.

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This Western propaganda reminds of the recent propaganda about China introducing rent control. There was one sentence about keeping rent increases under 5% per year in a policy document on housing and it appears in the section on ensuring adequate supply of urban housing. So obviously it’s a benchmark. Yet Western propagandists cried ‘rent control’.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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The context in China is a lot of men refuse to use condoms and instead pressure their girlfriends to go along with unprotected sex by telling them to get abortions if they become pregnant. And women were led by false advertisements to believe abortions to be easy and harmless. In the last data available, there were 9.6 million abortions and 17.1 million births in China in 2017. The latest data for the US was from 2018: 0.62 million abortions and 3.79 million births. Repeated abortions can have severe consequences for women’s reproductive health. Abortion is not an alternative to contraception.
Big education needed and actually implementing in that case some more restriction for abortion is a good thing also. More information about safe sex is needed.
 

OppositeDay

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Big education needed and actually implementing in that case some more restriction for abortion is a good thing also. More information about safe sex is needed.

There should be no restriction on abortion except for medical reasons. The government, however, should ban private abortion clinics as they tend to downplay potential health consequences of abortion. Public hospitals should introduce measures to protect the privacy of women seeking abortion. Social security could partially pay for abortion if the couple finish a online reproductive health training program.
 

OppositeDay

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Another measure would be for the social security to give out condom vouchers instead of, or in addition to, copayment for abortion costs.
 
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