China demographics thread.

Appix

Senior Member
Registered Member
Village in Guangdong offers cash subsidies to parents of newborns

Couples in a village in South China’s Guangdong Province will receive up to 3,300 yuan ($510) each month for their newborn babies born after September 1, the latest place to offer cash to families since the legalization of China’s third-child policy in August.

Since early September, Huangzhugen village in Zhanjiang has been promoting a new local family planning policy, under which couples will receive subsidies until their babies turn 2 and a half years old, Zhanjiang Daily reported on Tuesday.

Parents of babies born after September 1 will receive 3,000 to 3,300 yuan each month, totaling up to 99,000 yuan for each baby, the report said.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

This time they have added only a village. To lacklustre. A grave national problem.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
Because it's a test program. They want to see if it will have an effect. But it won't. 40 k yuan one time and 10k yuan per baby for second baby for 3 years is measly 11 000 dollars.

When a 50m2 house/flat in Harbin, for example costs anywhere from 100 to 200 thousand dollars. Sure, there that cheaper areas than that but compared to Beijing/Shanghai/shenzen etc that price would be a bargain.

And how many people would even have a family with 2 kids in a 50 m2 flat?

Some semblance of effect may be achieved when subsidies cover a fourth or a third of the cost of a flat/house. But it will also have a side effect of raising commercial housing prices.

And paying for a quarter of a Shanghai apartment is super expensive and not efficient even for the government. So any such subsidy plan is likely to stick to not so developed areas with fairly low housing prices.
Then just drop housing costs. Why go in this roundabout way when you can deflate the housing bubble like China's currently doing. Evergrande's collapse is the best thing to happen for Chinese TFR in decades.
This time they have added only a village. To lacklustre. A grave national problem.
It's being solved, it's just that sometimes people need help connecting the dots on the aims of Chinese government policy. Like ending the private tuition sector and popping the housing bubble.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
This time they have added only a village. To lacklustre. A grave national problem.
China is too huge and diverse to make universal policies on the spot.

All these trials, pilots, special policies etc, are all because the CPC needs to be extremely careful so that it wont break anything unintentionally.

There is also the fact that, reformers, factions, interest groups, top leadership, needs to convince the rest that a policy they are pushing is helpful and will actually benefit the country. So they are given some pilot zones in order to prove that their policies can work before they start lobbying that their proposal works.

As you can probably guess, this is a complex matter. I say, let the process work out.

Also agree with another poster who said that Evergrande collapsing will probably be the best thing for TFR in decades.
 

gadgetcool5

Senior Member
Registered Member
Apparently they're rolling back abortions to mitigate their demographic problems. Could go for contraceptives next and increase pro-natal propaganda.

Do not be fooled by the name. The quoted account is a Western propaganda account from HRW. In actuality there has been no official change in China's policy on abortion, other than rumors:



That being said, there were 9.7 million abortions in China last year, compared to just 620,000 in the U.S. And while U.S. abortions have been falling for 30 years, China's are rising. At this rate, in 2021 abortions will overtake live births! Why are China's abortion rates so high? It's ridiculous. *If* China really took steps to reduce abortions from that stratospheric level it wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Not saying China should, but if it did ban abortion, based on those numbers it could almost solve the birthrate problem entirely.
 

hashtagpls

Senior Member
Registered Member
If you think about it, the anglos are also worried about their own declining birth rates and I specifically said Anglo not Hispanic or black birth rates; this could be the reason why some American states are rolling back abortion because it tends to be white females who get abortions.

ideally, a woman in China should have babies first whilst she is at the height of her fertility, from 18-29, and being a mother to raise her children before pursuing university in her mature years.

Yet it appears the objections coming from women is that such restrictions in actuality, hamper their own hypergamous desires; they want to marry that rich med student or finance major after “having their fun”; China should not allow such westernised notions of sexual irresponsiblity to run amok
 

Bob Smith

Junior Member
Registered Member
Do not be fooled by the name. The quoted account is a Western propaganda account from HRW. In actuality there has been no official change in China's policy on abortion, other than rumors:



That being said, there were 9.7 million abortions in China last year, compared to just 620,000 in the U.S. And while U.S. abortions have been falling for 30 years, China's are rising. Why are China's abortion rates so high? It's ridiculous. *If* China really took steps to reduce abortions from that stratospheric level it wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Not saying China should, but if it did ban abortion, based on those numbers it could almost solve the birthrate problem entirely.
I'm aware of the twitter account's anti-China leanings. The fact that their documents are mentioning reducing abortion is still a very positive sign. That 10 million number is insane and China is the only country in the world with abortion on request with no gestational limit. Suicidal and brain dead policy by the Chinese government along with the one child policy that lasted for decades.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

gadgetcool5

Senior Member
Registered Member

"National Health Commission data shows that between 2014 and 2018, there were an average of 9.7 million abortions per year, rising about 51 per cent from the 2009-2013 average, despite a relaxation of family planning policies in 2015."

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Hell, its probably over 10 million by now if the trend continued.
 
Top