China demographics thread.

[tygyg1111]

Gonna play devil's advocate and post something people might feel uneasy about. It has nothing to do with the video, which I've not seen.

When a Chinese person betrays China and goes to a rival Western nation to badmouth it, we say this self-hating hanjian scum will never find acceptance or respect in that society but be viewed as a jester or dog huddling to please a master.

When a Western person or a person from another hostile nation to China moves to China applauding Chinese society and swearing allegiance to China over thier native country, what do we call them? Are they not the foreign counterpart to the hanjian we just discussed? Do we accept them as Chinese because their words and actions please us or do we look deep into the character of a traitor?

Personally, I don't respect anyone who doesn't show self-respect and self-love. A foreigner in any nation should maintain the dignity and honor of one's own native country at all times and at best, in the most friendly of situations, open a second place in one's heart for the culture of the adoptive nation while saving one's sacred place always for one's own culture. It is a matter of character and quality that no one betrays his nation for a hostile nation; I never trust or respect people who do, even if they run to China's side. Because if they betrayed their home country, how easy would it be for them to betray mine when the convenience arises? My motto is, "If you're not welcome in your own country, you're not welcome here either." It's placing the caliber of the individual over what is personally pleasing to hear.

In small numbers these people are useful, and serve to entice and confuse their compatriots back home. As long as local society is cohesive and there are laws that come down hard, these sporadic additions can be controlled.

I would not want large numbers of seemingly 'patriotic' foreigners swarming in; look at the US with the Indians who later form their own Hindu caste based blocs.

I think Korea can be assimilated over time through a bit of tough love (funneling pride to be part of the greater Chinese identity, post liberation of course), given their weak cultural underpinnings, but the Vietnamese would be a harder nut to crack.
If Japan is split and assimilated piecemeal then you could easily incorporate Okinawa, and Hokkaido (through emphasizing their Ainu foundations).

 

[manqiangrexue]

I'm talking specifically about adopting orphans/abandoned children from the Global South. It's awfully unreasonable to expect that an orphan/abandoned child should have the kind of pride and dignity you are talking about... at best, they can form a pride and dignity based on their adoptive country.

In contrast, the majority of Hanjian are migrant workers (white and blue collar), white collar criminals (usually having fled to escape risk of conviction), or blue collar criminals (who may or may not have once escaped conviction), so I don't think you have done a great job as a devil's advocate here.

1. I thought the scope could be widened and didn't realize you wanted to confine it only to the extremely rare circumstances of a foreigner bring abandoned into China from an age too young to know anything. I probably wouldn't have even answered for such a narrow issue.

2. If the adoptive Chinese parents respect this child, they would indeed wish him/her to have pride and dignity and do their best to educate him/her on the birth country. Of course that's not to say that China shouldn't be special to them for having adopted them (my greatest leniency, which is still not much, towards white-worshipping Asians in the US are to those who were adopted by white parents as babies) but everyone should know and honor his/her blood in order to truly feel wholesome.

No, since they are not Chinese, and they are westerner instead.

There are many ABCs who would be very insulted at that comment and regardless of what you say, just by their looks, they represent China wherever they go and China represents them. I personally do not agree with you either; I believe in genetics. You are what you are, even if it disagrees with what you say you are. That is the basis behind the saying that a Chinese man can only choose to be a proud Chinese man or a Western dog; no matter what happens, he cannot become a proud Western man. Passports are paper just like toilet paper. Blood and DNA are forever yours from the day you were born to the day you die, continuing on through your children.

You can't betray a country that you never swore allegiance to

You don't swear allegiance for being born to a country so by this logic then a Chinese who goes abroad to insult/attack China would never be betraying China since s/he never had to swear allegiance for his/her Chinese citizenship which was given automatically at birth. And also by your logic, a Chinese man who immigrates to the US, becoming a US citizen by oath is not a traitor but if he returns to China with what he learned to help China, then he is a traitor.

I think Korea can be assimilated over time through a bit of tough love (funneling pride to be part of the greater Chinese identity, post liberation of course), given their weak cultural underpinnings, but the Vietnamese would be a harder nut to crack.
If Japan is split and assimilated piecemeal then you could easily incorporate Okinawa, and Hokkaido (through emphasizing their Ainu foundations).

It's primal and simple but if they look the same, they can be assimilated over a generation or 2. People find identity with their eyes and it's just that easy.

 

[coolgod]

Gonna play devil's advocate and post something people might feel uneasy about. It has nothing to do with the video, which I've not seen.

When a Chinese person betrays China and goes to a rival Western nation to badmouth it, we say this self-hating hanjian scum will never find acceptance or respect in that society but be viewed as a jester or dog huddling to please a master.

When a Western person or a person from another hostile nation to China moves to China applauding Chinese society and swearing allegiance to China over thier native country, what do we call them? Are they not the foreign counterpart to the hanjian we just discussed? Do we accept them as Chinese because their words and actions please us or do we look deep into the character of a traitor?

We do both. Similarly western masters love these hanjians, but deep down they also despise them. But in the interest of assimilation, which China needs after opening immigration, it's probably more helpful to look away from the fact they were traitors.

 

[manqiangrexue]

We do both. Similarly western masters love these hanjians, but deep down they also despise them. But in the interest of assimilation, which China needs after opening immigration, it's probably more helpful to look away from the fact they were traitors.

This is the international citizenship version of the reason for which wise bosses never hire people who badmouth all the prior companies and bosses they've worked for. Look away at your own peril. Embrace a known traitor into your den at your own risk.

 

[CMP]

1. I thought the scope could be widened and didn't realize you wanted to confine it only to the extremely rare circumstances of a foreigner bring abandoned into China from an age too young to know anything. I probably wouldn't have even answered for such a narrow issue.

2. If the adoptive Chinese parents respect this child, they would indeed wish him/her to have pride and dignity and do their best to educate him/her on the birth country. Of course that's not to say that China shouldn't be special to them for having adopted them (my greatest leniency, which is still not much, towards white-worshipping Asians in the US are to those who were adopted by white parents as babies) but everyone should know and honor his/her blood in order to truly feel wholesome.

There are many ABCs who would be very insulted at that comment and regardless of what you say, just by their looks, they represent China wherever they go and China represents them. I personally do not agree with you either; I believe in genetics. You are what you are, even if it disagrees with what you say you are. That is the basis behind the saying that a Chinese man can only choose to be a proud Chinese man or a Western dog; no matter what happens, he cannot become a proud Western man. Passports are paper just like toilet paper. Blood and DNA are forever yours from the day you were born to the day you die, continuing on through your children.

You don't swear allegiance for being born to a country so by this logic then a Chinese who goes abroad to insult/attack China would never be betraying China since s/he never had to swear allegiance for his/her Chinese citizenship which was given automatically at birth. And also by your logic, a Chinese man who immigrates to the US, becoming a US citizen by oath is not a traitor but if he returns to China with what he learned to help China, then he is a traitor.

It's primal and simple but if they look the same, they can be assimilated over a generation or 2. People find identity with their eyes and it's just that easy.

The number of orphaned or abandoned children outside of China is certainly not small. It probably wouldn't be too hard to arrange with friendly diplomatic partners to voluntarily match them to Chinese couples that are interested, especially childless ones. I am certainly not talking about accepting teenagers or adult migrant workers.

 

[doggydogdo]

You don't swear allegiance for being born to a country so by this logic then a Chinese who goes abroad to insult/attack China would never be betraying China since s/he never had to swear allegiance for his/her Chinese citizenship which was given automatically at birth. And also by your logic, a Chinese man who immigrates to the US, becoming a US citizen by oath is not a traitor but if he returns to China with what he learned to help China, then he is a traitor.

In school we did.

 

[manqiangrexue]

The number of orphaned or abandoned children outside of China is certainly not small. It probably wouldn't be too hard to arrange with friendly diplomatic partners to voluntarily match them to Chinese couples that are interested, especially childless ones. I am certainly not talking about accepting teenagers or adult migrant workers.

I thought you were talking about abandoned foreign kids who happened to end up in China, which is definitely small. You meant to specifically go looking for them to bring to China? I mean, I suppose if you have Chinese couples who wanted kids but didn't have them either because one of them was infertile or because they waited too long and got too old, you could source an adoption from abroad. I have nothing against it, but I'm a China first kinda guy so I'd want to make sure that the domestic Chinese orphans are taken care of first.

In school we did.

LOL That shit doesn't count. Kids were just told to do it, barely knew what they were saying and wouldn't want the heat from not saying it if they disagreed. You have to be an adult to drink, smoke, sign for packages over $500 in value but you can swear an oath of allegiance for life as an elementary schooler??

I personally don't care about swearing or oaths, etc... Words are just like paper. Can you never change your mind and swear your oath to another country after you've sworn yourself to one? Do you make it known to the last country that you are ending your oath? Do you have to alert them the instant you no longer feel true to the oath or only when you're ready to transfer? What about spies who have to swear fake oaths to carry out their missions for the country to which their loyalty has never faltered? All these things make swearing and oaths uncertain and of questionable value.

Like I said, genetics make you what you are. You can be the best friend of any country you choose but you always belong to the country your DNA says you are from, even if you hate it and disgrace yourself.

 

[tygyg1111]

It's primal and simple but if they look the same, they can be assimilated over a generation or 2. People find identity with their eyes and it's just that easy.

After posting the previous message, I thought of the people of Xinjiang and Xizang, as well as the Chechens of Russia. So I think sans negative outside influences, any population can be absorbed within a lifetime via purging (eradication) of problematic leaders and literature.
This is also what the British did to Hong Kong after the pro communism / anti British protests in the 60's.

In school we did.

We had to pray in school, before it was abolished. I remember even then feeling in my bones that christianity was somehow evil, with the only remedy beings its total destruction and dismemberment. However being 5 at the time the best I could do was hold my hands so close to my face that my thumbs went in my nose and changing the wording of the prayers.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Gonna play devil's advocate and post something people might feel uneasy about. It has nothing to do with the video, which I've not seen.

When a Chinese person betrays China and goes to a rival Western nation to badmouth it, we say this self-hating hanjian scum will never find acceptance or respect in that society but be viewed as a jester or dog huddling to please a master.

When a Western person or a person from another hostile nation to China moves to China applauding Chinese society and swearing allegiance to China over thier native country, what do we call them? Are they not the foreign counterpart to the hanjian we just discussed? Do we accept them as Chinese because their words and actions please us or do we look deep into the character of a traitor?

Personally, I don't respect anyone who doesn't show self-respect and self-love. A foreigner in any nation should maintain the dignity and honor of one's own native country at all times and at best, in the most friendly of situations, open a second place in one's heart for the culture of the adoptive nation while saving one's sacred place always for one's own culture. It is a matter of character and quality that no one betrays his nation for a hostile nation; I never trust or respect people who do, even if they run to China's side. Because if they betrayed their home country, how easy would it be for them to betray mine when the convenience arises? My motto is, "If you're not welcome in your own country, you're not welcome here either." It's placing the caliber of the individual over what is personally pleasing to hear.

Gotta disagree with this one. A westerner that praises China is nothing like them, not even close. They understand that China is objectively good, and has many achievements, and is not engaged in egregious crimes. It is not merely because they 'have to' support it since they were born into the culture. Supporting the culture of your birth is expected, unless it has committed great crimes for no particular reason.

Far from looking down on them, I commend them for the bravery to trust their personal experience and logic. In particular, being able to do this when the propaganda they are subject to tells them to reject the evidence of their eyes and ears and to trust propaganda, is an act of courage. Even a simple act of defiance like speaking up for TikTok or Genshin chips away at the narrative.

 

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

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