China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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Which is a net win for China. The US nuclear arsenal is way too big and sophisticated for simple deterrence use. And all that counterforce, decapacitation strike and tactical nuclear warfare ideas are delusional.

China needs more nukes for several reasons but it seems the biggest benefit of its nuclear modernization will be the US wasting hundreds of billions on its already oversized and over sophisticated nuclear arsenal.
Right, Columbia class would probably eat up much of the naval shipbuilding resources. It kind of has to be done at this point since Ohio class is falling part. But given their submarine building resources, VA class will be down to 1 a year if staff gets pulled to build Columbia class. And of course, the next generation land and air launched ICBMs are also likely to magnitudes more expensive than the previous generation.
 

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647 Brigade. It is weirdly separated between three neighboring areas, which were used for other purpose before conversion. Still in very early stage. Land size 0.89 km2

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Isn't 647 Bde DF26 as per both CASI, IISS & otherwise generally also
 

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Not surprising at all given that they count empty silos as launchers but they are not completely wrong.

China has around 16 ± 2 mobile ICBM brigades and they would have 192 ± 24 launchers if each one of brigades is equipped with 12 launchers.
Mobile TEL BrigadeSilo FieldDF-5 SeriesTotal
Number16 ± 23423 ± 2
Launchers192 ± 2432048 ± 2560 ± 26

240 launchers if not counting empty silos and 560 if counting them.
16 ICBM Bdes - 621, 622, 631, 633, 632, 634, 641, 642, 643, 644, 652, 651, 661, 662, 663, 664

One silo based Unknown- 637
Unknown- 619, 657, 665

So, is it 16+2 or maybe at least 17+/-3
 

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Are there any methods to destroy ICBM silos without using nuclear warheads, and capable of being delivered in multiple units at once using ICBMs or FOBS as well?
Overpressure resistance of a silo door is 2000+ psi even in the 1970s.

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The overpressure at r = 0 m is taken to be 100k psi. So rough estimate of 2000 psi might be, IDK, 1 km miss?

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Regular explosives is 4000 psi going down to nothing for contact detonation of TNT, to consistent 300 psi over large area for thermobarics.

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16 ICBM Bdes - 621, 622, 631, 633, 632, 634, 641, 642, 643, 644, 652, 651, 661, 662, 663, 664

One silo based Unknown- 637
Unknown- 619, 657, 665

So, is it 16+2 or maybe at least 17+/-3
Great work.

But my 16 ± 2 brigades is TEL brigade only.
To my count, mobile TEL brigades are 611 612 621 622 632 641 642 643 644 645 647 651 652 663 664 665, 16 brigades in total.
Silo brigade are 631 633 634 661 662, 5 brigades in total.

657 is very likely to be a tactical unit equipped with DF-2X series or CJ series as it was stationed in Dalian. Ofc it could be re-located to somewhere else inland but it will be years later from right now.

637 brigade is a mystery which never appears in official news yet but merely a speculation from foreign OISNT blogger like Decker. I mean each new DF-5 brigade gets 12 + 1 silos and earlier rumors from two years ago have already said that there would be 60 DF-5 silos in total. Does it make more sense to have only 5 DF-5 brigades?

Furthermore it is not currently clear yet but solid silo brigade hasn't been formed yet but they would be 648 649 and 658 brigade to my count though.
 

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Great work.

But my 16 ± 2 brigades is TEL brigade only.
To my count, mobile TEL brigades are 611 612 621 622 632 641 642 643 644 645 647 651 652 663 664 665, 16 brigades in total.
Silo brigade are 631 633 634 661 662, 5 brigades in total.

657 is very likely to be a tactical unit equipped with DF-2X series or CJ series as it was stationed in Dalian. Ofc it could be re-located to somewhere else inland but it will be years later from right now.

637 brigade is a mystery which never appears in official news yet but merely a speculation from foreign OISNT blogger like Decker. I mean each new DF-5 brigade gets 12 + 1 silos and earlier rumors from two years ago have already said that there would be 60 DF-5 silos in total. Does it make more sense to have only 5 DF-5 brigades?

Furthermore it is not currently clear yet but solid silo brigade hasn't been formed yet but they would be 648 649 and 658 brigade to my count though.
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Great work.

But my 16 ± 2 brigades is TEL brigade only.
To my count, mobile TEL brigades are 611 612 621 622 632 641 642 643 644 645 647 651 652 663 664 665, 16 brigades in total.
Silo brigade are 631 633 634 661 662, 5 brigades in total.

657 is very likely to be a tactical unit equipped with DF-2X series or CJ series as it was stationed in Dalian. Ofc it could be re-located to somewhere else inland but it will be years later from right now.

637 brigade is a mystery which never appears in official news yet but merely a speculation from foreign OISNT blogger like Decker. I mean each new DF-5 brigade gets 12 + 1 silos and earlier rumors from two years ago have already said that there would be 60 DF-5 silos in total. Does it make more sense to have only 5 DF-5 brigades?

Furthermore it is not currently clear yet but solid silo brigade hasn't been formed yet but they would be 648 649 and 658 brigade to my count though.

Great. Wondering whether the number of missiles in silo ICBM is the same as in TEL ?
 

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Great. Wondering whether the number of missiles in silo ICBM is the same as in TEL ?
According to Pentagon report, they believe that each mobile TEL ICBM brigade is deployed with 12 launchers whereas rumor is suggesting PLARF has stopped procuring DF-31 series and concentrating them within existing brigades and deploy 12 advanced DF-41 into new brigade. So basically it would be 18 or 24 DF-31 per brigade and 12 DF-41 per brigade if the rumor is true.

Each DF-5 silo brigade has 6 operational silos and only three of the old ones are operational right now. However each DF-5 brigade should have 12 operational + 1 training silos in the future though.
 
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