China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread
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i dont have acess to CDF. But i doubt that a test of a missile first tested in the 90´s is more important than the flight test of j-20 or landing at liaoning. You mentioned df-31. After all, its df-31 or df-41? is it useful to test a ICBM with a impact range only 350 km away from launch ? thats a SRBM test, not a ICBM test...and what is shown at these photos? "real activity" ?
the rest of your post is old news.
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Hendrik_2000
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Kroko use your logic where did it say anywhere it is DF 31 .Nowhere it said the missile is DF 31. Why would anyone test an old missile?. There is difference between DF31 and DF 31A and the range is not 350 Km but 7000 Miles Where did you get this 350 Km range?. Name or designation is not that important but the guy concede that China is developing and testing new type of missile that is longer range and more difficult to intercept. It make more sense than your usual " bury in the sand" type of response. Raj47 is a guy who specializing in getting Chinese bases Photo taken from satellite. Because that is the only access to Missile base and test range, He know what he is talking about.
China new prez is known to favor second artillery over other branch of military. He is nice guy but no mistake he is much more tougher than previous prez. He talk about China dream a revival of strong China
Beyond the political jockeying, Xi has indicated that the Second Artillery will play a more important role in the future. During a meeting with officers from the Second Artillery on December 5, the new CMC chief said the forces were “a strategic pillar of China’s great power status,” adding that the Corps was the “core force” of the nation’s “strategic deterrent” and an “important bedrock” to protect national security. In addition to emphasizing the need for the Second Artillery Corps to submit fully to party control, Xi called on it to develop a “powerful and technological missile force.”
Apparently this is a second test and using MIRV warhead and first posted on Chinese military site maybe one of forumer can comment From Business Insider. This is not an old news
China's New MIRV Ballistic Missile Is A Big Deal
Robert Johnson | Dec. 11, 2012, 9:34 AM | 5,869 | 13
A US MIRV test — each line represents the path of a warhead
During the nuclear honed days of the Cold War, the Soviet Union developed a nuclear missile able to strike anywhere in the U.S.
Loaded with multiple maneuverable warheads (MIRVs), while carrying decoys and chaff to keep from getting struck down, the missiles undermined the entire balance of power between the two superpowers and struck fear into hard hearts at the Kremlin and the Pentagon alike.
When China successfully tested its DF-31A missile several days ago, it confirmed another country now has proven nuclear ability reach any city in the U.S. with precisely the type of missiles that troubled the U.S. decades ago.
The DF-31A is believed to have three warheads per missile and a range of about 7,000 miles, which allows it to target anywhere in the U.S. While that ability isn't new, China's CSS-4 has that capability as well, that missile requires a stationary launch pad and contains but one nuclear warhead.
Inverted map, the DF-31A's range is within the penultimate ring and the US between that and the green ring
The DF-31A is portable and launches from the back of a tank, train, or truck. China also has more than 3,000 miles of underground tunnels and highly reinforced military bunkers where it can stash the highly mobile ordnance.
Notoriously cryptic about the extent of its nuclear arsenal, China announced the launch on a Chinese military news site.
Bill Gertz at The Washington Free Beacon confirms what the site claims, reporting that U.S. intelligence, airborne, and space sensors picked up the launch from China's Wuzhai Space and Missile Test Center in western China when it happened.
From the Beacon:
It was the second DF-31A flight test since August and highlights China’s growing strategic nuclear buildup, a modernization program largely carried out in secret. The DF-31A test also took place on the last day of a rare U.S.-China military exercise in Chengdu that practiced joint disaster relief efforts.
China is known to use its missile tests to send political signals, as in 1996 when it bracketed Taiwan with missile flight tests that impacted north and south of the island prior to a presidential election. Analysts say the DF-31A test likely was intended to bolster the Chinese military’s hardline stance toward the United States and particularly the U.S. military, regarded by Beijing as its main adversary.
Richard Fisher, a China military affairs specialist, told the Beacon, the development “suggests that China may be building toward a ‘counterstrike’ strategy that would require the secret buildup of many more missiles and warheads than suggested by public ICBM number estimates made available by the U.S. Intelligence Community.”
A viable counterstrike is one potential scenario China may be planning for, but what unsettled both the U.S. and the Soviets about the MIRVs when they came around the first time was the "enhancement of a first strike capability."
Basically, having multiple warheads per missile vastly increases the chances of successfully striking the U.S. and at multiple sites. The belief was that this degree of confidence would do little to decrease the chances of nuclear war.
But with so much going on in the world today at a pace the warriors of the Cold War never imagined, it's easy to overlook just one more missile test. Which is why it could be important to remember that it's missiles like this that helped lift the arms race to the frenzied heights it achieved before the Iron Curtain fell in the early 1990s and defined a generation.
If China shares the MIRV technology with Iran, Pakistan, Syria, and North Korea like it has shared nuclear, missile materials, and technology in the past it could prompt an entirely new round of concerns.
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Hendriks, leave that guy kroko alone, he is a typical Indian. The Indians all have a massive jealousy towards any Chinese achievements. The Indians have always thought of themselves as equal to China due to having a similar population but they have ALWAYS been behind China by a MASSIVE margin. And whenever China moves further ahead of India, they try to massage their own egos by downplaying Chinese achievements, denying it works or exists or saying its copied and going around saying China can't do this and that. The thing that eats the Indians up the most is that no matter how hard they try and advance they are still so far behind China in all areas it's not even funny. To make matters worse China is only increasing the lead over India.
We all know the DF-41 is real and as I've said before that on CCTV english general Zhu Chenghu confirmed the Df-41. So you don't need the approval of some jealous Indian dude on a forum.
We all know the DF-41 is real and as I've said before that on CCTV english general Zhu Chenghu confirmed the Df-41. So you don't need the approval of some jealous Indian dude on a forum.
Hendrik_2000
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Thanks JXX But i don't think Kroko is an Indian most likely Eastern European . I know he live in Canada He seem to know Russian History . He always compare China to Russia. Anyway Anyone still has a doubt about the test. should read this article ? Ken Beacon a spokesman for Pentagon confirm the test is for real. here it is
China Tests DF-31 Missile
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China conducted a flight test of its Dong Feng (DF)-31 long-range missile on November 4, the Pentagon said December 12. Pentagon spokesman Ken Bacon would not provide many details on the test, saying simply, "The test was pretty much as expected in terms of timing and in terms of results."
The test, which was first reported in The Washington Times, advances China's strategic modernization program, which is designed to increase the survivability and reliability of its small nuclear deterrent force.
The DF-31 is a solid-fueled, road-mobile missile with an estimated range of 8,000 kilometers, meaning that, when deployed, it will be able to target portions of the northwestern United States. It was first flight-tested in August 1999. According to The Washington Times, China also tested the DF-31 in the spring of 2000 and in mid-December, but the Pentagon refused to confirm those tests.
Currently, China is reported to have only about 20 ICBMs, known as DF-4s, capable of hitting the continental United States. The DF-4 is liquid-fueled and silo-based and has been in service for over 20 years. In addition to the DF-31, China is developing another mobile ICBM that will have a longer range and will likely replace the DF-4.
LOL hendrik, this is a 2001 news report:
Really, do you know what are you writing about, hendrik? and no, im not indian, nor east european, nor i live in canada. I think that the mods can confirm that.
Where did I get it? From your own post…
As for the rest:
Bill Gertz, a guy that once claimed that two navy officials told him of a Russian nuclear sub in the gulf of mexico, something later denied by the US DoD.
Richard Fisher believes a report that says that china has 2000+ nuclear weapons
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The general did not confirm or denied it
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Hendrik_2000
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You don't know what you are talking about the news about new missile test was first broached or mention by the Chinese military site and Bill Gertz he is only confirmed what was written in China military website.
You deduct wrongly because the activity in the missile site is adjacent to the to impact test range Da Zhai dam so you think that was fired to Wrong . The missile was fired from Wuzhai So the distant of 350 km is irrelevant , He just mention there were activity on the both sides.Wuzhai is in Shanxi and DaQaidam is in Qinghai
It was fired from China’s Wuzhai Space and Missile Test Center in Shanxi Province to an impact range in western China. maybe impacted at Da Qaidam who knows
So be careful before making wrong deduction.
Ir doesn't matter whether it is 2001 or 2011 The fact that Pentagon confirm mean that there is real missile called DF 31 or DF 31A.10 years has gone by in the meantime the Chinese make improvement and MIRVed the missile and extend the range
But Chinese expert Wei Guoan said, "The missile that was test-launched wasn't the DF-41. But it's true that the Second Artillery Corps is developing a next-generation ICBM with the exact specifications that Western media are talking about."
He added, "Research is underway with the purpose of developing the next-generation ICBM that can hit targets anywhere in the world."
The DF-41 is said to have a range of 10,000-14,000 km, which would cover the entire U.S. The DF-31, its immediate predecessor, had a range of 7,200-8,000 km, which would only allow it to reach part of the western U.S.
Jeffrey lewis is a member of Concern scientist for Nuclear disarmament . He is was at MIT at onetime and work with Ex Chinese Scientist who work at nuclear program back in 1960 He is the one that study the nuclear production rate of Chinese plutonium facility in north west China and based on that study they estimate the number of nuclear warhead is 300. But that facility has been mothballed long time ago. and move to southwest China . So basically this study is completely outdated
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I don’t know if it is the translation but that site doesn’t appear to say anything concrete about missile test. Only a vague mentioning of a “new strategic missile test” (made in context of past achievements, I think). But perhabs you might help here.
Again, I don’t have acess to CDF, so I might have misinterpreted the ranges distance. But it talks about DF31, not DF-41 or anything else.
According to the pentagon, DF-31A only entered service 5 years ago. That’s not a lot of time to improve the missile and get MIRV/range extension.
That expert Wei Guoan, told that in the global times, a conservative news outlet. How credible is it? And who exactly is Wei Guoan ?
And yes, the general definitely confirmed it. DF-41 is 100% real. It's already been proven without a shadow of a doubt by generals and official state media.
Now that China has the DF-41, it puts the entire US within reach and any nuclear aggression by American hawks will get a swift nuclear response courtesy of the DF-41 ICBM with 10 MIRV and 14,000 km. It gives China a major nuclear deterrence. The option of nuclear blackmail against China is now completely off the table.
The DF-41 will now be developed into the JL-3 SLBM.
You better stop categorizing people, we don't like any racial comments here.
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