China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[ZeEa5KPul]

Let's count our chickens well after they hatch and refrain from Jai Hinding this "will have" "the best" stuff.

This false humility is not only tiresome, it's analytically misleading. The reason "Jai Hinding" is funny isn't because having pride in one's country is funny, it's because it's wildly unrealistic. What, pray tell, is wildly unrealistic in the world's largest and fastest-growing economy building a navy superior to the runner up's?

 

[hashtagpls]

Regarding the new Hypersonic Glide Vehicle or the Multiple Warhead tipped AshBM most important component is the Navigation and Guidance.

That's what US would be looking at to counter it. It's "Kill Chain". That's the language they speak in other discussion rooms. Can't Dismiss the notion.

Let's just say US counters Yaogan Satellites initially. Taking out most of them (or just enough to destroy the effective use of the AshBM force. Then what?

I'm discounting OtH Radars here. I don't think it can offer much.There was a mention of micro satellite launched along with the missile (or as a separate one) plausibly for Terminal guidance. It'd be nice to know more about that.

Let's just say that US ABM efforts are focused on the microsatellite rather than the Warhead. The issues faced would be to track a satellite after suborbit insertion.
Then what?

Do note that China could always target US Kill Chain as much as US could do to China. But that's a different discussion.

PLA has already factored in the US targeting Chinese satellites, that's what the WZ-8 is designed for:


Those are gliders, launched from rockets to canvas area of operations to provide real time data back to Command, before returning to base.

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[ZeEa5KPul]

Those are gliders, launched from rockets to canvas area of operations to provide real time data back to Command, before returning to base.

They're launched from H-6 bombers, not rockets. They're air-dropped and then their rockets fire, boosting their speed and altitude.

 

[hashtagpls]

They're launched from H-6 bombers, not rockets. They're air-dropped and then their rockets fire, boosting their speed and altitude.

They just got even cooler in my books.

 

[rambo54]

last year activities for covered silo construction has been explored at former DF-4 launch sites of the 662 SSM BGD:
33.809673° 111.942163° / 33.786286° 112.024093° / 33.760083° 112.163683° / 33.764661° 112.207861°.
It seems that the second DF-4 unit, the 643 SSM BGD, has followed in the same way.
Using the google earth history layer we can observe at least three new silo construction sites:
26.312825° 109.950207° / 26.268429° 109.925050° / 26.229409° 109.902404°

 

[Temstar]

They just got even cooler in my books.

Rumour is that WZ-8 actually came out of the same hypersonic program that gave birth to DF-17. When DF-ZF / WU-14 was undergoing all those tests and causing UFO sightings PLAAF came in and said this is fantastic, I want this as a reconnaissance drone. So a quick spin off program happened and WZ-8 was the result.

 

[ougoah]

Rumour is that WZ-8 actually came out of the same hypersonic program that gave birth to DF-17. When DF-ZF / WU-14 was undergoing all those tests and causing UFO sightings PLAAF came in and said this is fantastic, I want this as a reconnaissance drone. So a quick spin off program happened and WZ-8 was the result.

Wasn't there a thinner variant of the WZ-8? I'm purely speculating they are related but there was another mysterious UAV before the WZ-8's public disclosure in the 2019 parade. The CGIs showed something similar to the image below. I recall satellite photos showing this exact layout - different "wings" to WZ-8's pure delta. Could just be me forgetting though.



In fact this vehicle has been shown in public under tarp when being transported? Maybe it's WZ-8's fuselage but the wings on the WZ-8 don't look like they are supposed to be exchangeable.



The tarped vehicle is supposed to be the WZ-8 since it comes from the parade practice. Maybe there are a few variants with different wings but shared fuselage?

Rocket power in upper atmosphere doesn't negate hypersonic flight that's for sure. Could have benefited from the hypersonics research in some way. Shaping, materials etc. Curious to know the sources of those rumours.

 

[Xizor]

Well they said China hadn't tested the ASBM or else they would've detected it. It was tested and they didn't detect it. Let's not forget how Aegis, Patriot, and AWACs didn't detect a Seersucker that hit Kuwait City. Should've been a cinch since it was flying over open waters. It's so easy just to say disrupt the kill chain or fire an interceptor just like it's easy to say China can shoot down their satellites so they can't see it coming before it's too late. For thirty years they been having naval wargames simulations of a US Navy attack on China and no matter how advanced their technology gets, they still haven't won a simulation. Yeah China is wasting their money building ASBMs because they say they adjust and adapt... and yet they still lose those wargames to cheap anti-ship missiles.

War game Simulations conducted by US has been showing that US fail to defeat China.
One cannot discount the notion of US learning from these Simulations. That's the whole point. To learn and adapt.

They're launched from H-6 bombers, not rockets. They're air-dropped and then their rockets fire, boosting their speed and altitude.

Thank you. The information that WZ-8 was launched by H-6 is new to me. I think I get the idea of their usage and how they better fit into the battle plan clearly.

But WZ-8 would be used only to evaluate the effectiveness of the AshBMs, right? It won't be doing the Target acquisition job.

 

[silentlurker]

Let's just say US counters Yaogan Satellites initially. Taking out most of them (or just enough to destroy the effective use of the AshBM force. Then what?

During any non-nuclear conflict I don't think countries will target satellites, collateral damage would be incredibly high from debris.

 

[ougoah]

War game Simulations conducted by US has been showing that US fail to defeat China.
One cannot discount the notion of US learning from these Simulations. That's the whole point. To learn and adapt.

Thank you. The information that WZ-8 was launched by H-6 is new to me. I think I get the idea of their usage and how they better fit into the battle plan clearly.

But WZ-8 would be used only to evaluate the effectiveness of the AshBMs, right? It won't be doing the Target acquisition job.

It's generally speculated here that they are a part of the detection and targeting chain, possibly even guidance. Maybe as one backup to other platforms.