China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[AssassinsMace]

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I don't know if Beijing is is just a snob or they just don't know how to fight the fight. I think the majority of the world would be for eliminating nukes yet Beijing wants to think it's using civilized language and not just putting the US on the defensive for once. It's all or none at all. The US is the one that has to defend having more nukes than everyone else. That's what China should be doing is going on the counter offensive and not just sometimes acting on the defensive only. China doesn't have to lie. You can use the US's own words against them. The only reason the US wants everyone to restrict them is so the US can have the advantage. That's the only reason why the US doesn't want the elimination of all nukes.

 

[Broccoli]

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Again with the accusation, their own "experts" said China have stopped producing fissile materials long ago and now they accuse China of rapid nuclear warheads buildup, which one is it? Make up your mind dammit lol

China has material for roughly 1000-1200 warheads right now. Warhead build up means they use that fissile material to make new warheads not that they have started production of new fissile material.

There is a quite difference.

 

[Xizor]

China has material for roughly 1000-1200 warheads right now. Warhead build up means they use that fissile material to make new warheads not that they have started production of new fissile material.

There is a quite difference.

But how do we know China has started fissile material production?
One way is to monitor the activity at known Production plants but all of the "known" ones has been scrapped.

Unless the Chinese is operating some hidden production plants...

 

[Sardaukar20]

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I don't know if Beijing is is just a snob or they just don't know how to fight the fight. I think the majority of the world would be for eliminating nukes yet Beijing wants to think it's using civilized language and not just putting the US on the defensive for once. It's all or none at all. The US is the one that has to defend having more nukes than everyone else. That's what China should be doing is going on the counter offensive and not just sometimes acting on the defensive only. China doesn't have to lie. You can use the US's own words against them. The only reason the US wants everyone to restrict them is so the US can have the advantage. That's the only reason why the US doesn't want the elimination of all nukes.

Well China did rebuke the US. Saying that they would only talk about joining START talks only if the US reduces its nuclear arsenal to around 500 - 300 warheads. Its a condition that the US will never agree to. China & Russia knows this is a typical US ruse. Blaming China for the US's refusal to negotiate a new Start treaty. How convenient.

It is clear that the US is going to go rogue on nukes. They are going to expand their arsenal once again. So China's only option for nuclear security is to rapidly build up its arsenal. China must reach the important milestone of 1000 warheads. And try to achieve 3000 warheads at some point. Only such 'madness' would push the US to realise that:
1) Nuclear war with China is never a winnable option.
2) Nuclear buldup is an insane idea in the 21st century.
3) It's time to get serious about START again.

China has the resources, technology, and manufacturing to pull off this nuclear buildup. It is very unfortunate for them to pursue nuclear buildup again. But with a nuclear power that has the distinction of actually carrying out nuclear genocide constantly threatening nuclear war with China, this is necessary. Don't forget about a nuclear fascist India. Another one who also threatens nuclear attacks on China. China should start conviniently blaming the US and India for its own renewed nuclear buildup.

 

[Broccoli]

But how do we know China has started fissile material production?
One way is to monitor the activity at known Production plants but all of the "known" ones has been scrapped.

Unless the Chinese is operating some hidden production plants...

Plutonium production has both heat and radioactive signs what you can't hide from monitoring equipment. HEU production is harder to detect (see Iran & Noth-korea) but as far we know all China's warheads since 1970s have used plutonium pits and downside of U-235 pit is that it would make warhead larger aka can't deploy as many mirvs per missile.

Here is article about how US could arm it's forces with modern uranium warhead and what it would look like vs what they got now.

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[Xizor]

Plutonium production has both heat and radioactive signs what you can't hide from monitoring equipment. HEU production is harder to detect (see Iran & Noth-korea) but as far we know all China's warheads since 1970s have used plutonium pits and downside of U-235 pit is that it would make warhead larger aka can't deploy as many mirvs per missile.

Here is article about how US could arm it's forces with modern uranium warhead and what it would look like vs what they got now.

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Yes. But how can a foreign country detect these "traces" without flying dedicated equipment over the place?

This article explains it in some detail.

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Simply put, China is one of those countries with the resource and technologies to hide the production of weapons grade Fissile material. China also has huge complex landmass that is extremely attractive for such endeavors.

The only way to penetrate it is by traditional intelligence gathering - spy rings that operate deep within but it has to be "sleeper cell" grade as the nature of the work (nuclear weapons production) dictates it to be so.

 

[Xizor]

This decade 2010-2020 could be seen as the start / reignition of Chinese Fissile material production. North Korea is actively detonating as well as producing Nukes.

So Intelligence gathering aircraft (sniffers) like Constant Pheonix and Detection assets in South Korea and Japan is focused on North Korean production/detonation detection.

China can very well operate its own program as there exists an option for denying it and blaming it on Korean program. Particles released into the air (noble gases, Uranium compounds) does not carry "Made in China " tag.
This decade is golden in that sense.

The threat of Intelligence /spy network has however only increased as China has become more open to the rest of the world.

 

[Broccoli]

Yes. But how can a foreign country detect these "traces" without flying dedicated equipment over the place?

This article explains it in some detail.

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Simply put, China is one of those countries with the resource and technologies to hide the production of weapons grade Fissile material. China also has huge complex landmass that is extremely attractive for such endeavors.

The only way to penetrate it is by traditional intelligence gathering - spy rings that operate deep within but it has to be "sleeper cell" grade as the nature of the work (nuclear weapons production) dictates it to be so.

You can't really hide plutonium production and that's why Iran has gone HEU route. For plutonium production you actually need working reactor and it's not easy to hide, maybe even impossible to hide, while centrifuges are actually relatively easy to hide in comparison. Hiding a multiple nuclear reactors for plutonium production is nearly impossible.

Nuclear reactors can be detecter from air samples, heat signatures, satellites, cooling methods needed for reactor operations, people including thise who build it and use it and their footprint etc... I have written before that we aren't living in an computer game where you push a button and that's it.

 

[Broccoli]

This decade 2010-2020 could be seen as the start / reignition of Chinese Fissile material production. North Korea is actively detonating as well as producing Nukes.

So Intelligence gathering aircraft (sniffers) like Constant Pheonix and Detection assets in South Korea and Japan is focused on North Korean production/detonation detection.

China can very well operate its own program as there exists an option for denying it and blaming it on Korean program. Particles released into the air (noble gases, Uranium compounds) does not carry "Made in China " tag.
This decade is golden in that sense.

The threat of Intelligence /spy network has however only increased as China has become more open to the rest of the world.

Maybe you should write books for Tom Clancy universe.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

You can't really hide plutonium production and that's why Iran has gone HEU route. For plutonium production you actually need working reactor and it's not easy to hide, maybe even impossible to hide, while centrifuges are actually relatively easy to hide in comparison. Hiding a multiple nuclear reactors for plutonium production is nearly impossible.

You keep asserting this but you've presented zero evidence for it. Why should we take your word for it?