China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[Xizor]

As said by tidalwave, satellites be knocked out first.

And do recall ......

And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA a few days ago, the Aegis and Patriot systems defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.

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How will the Patriot systems in USA defend against ICBMs coming in at speed of Mach 25 when they cannot even detect missiles at sub Mach or even know where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage?

Why do I need to keep repeating that?

And Muricans think they got no sweat to swat down pesky hypersonic warheads weaving about?
And they appeared as dunce and idiots in not even knowing now where the f**k those sub Mach missiles came from knowing only they appeared with big bangs with absolute accuracy. Radar records could not even tell them at all? All those interlocking zones of detections load of Murican bullshit?

• The difference between the PATRIOT and THAAD -

THAAD is the thing that does the job of killing Ballistic missile warhead(on reentry). Patriot is for drones, cruise missiles and Aircraft.

• Training and Experience cannot be measured. But I suspect that Saudi Arabian forces aren't the best/ one of the best/even in the top 15. That matters a lot. Again, they aren't operating THAAD.
  
• Defense against ICBMs is a bigger priority that defense against Scuds and cheap drones. I think US would never settle for a shoddy work regarding that. These are existential threats.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Not to split hairs here, but RT is not really a considered to be credible. Especially with regards to US news. The amount of salacious accounts rivals that of Breitbart at times I swear.
And I have yet to hear of any recent missile attack on Saudi Arabia.

 

[Broccoli]

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs. Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan. AND DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA.

Thanks for warning.

I was about to order nuclear strike against Chinese targets but your message caused me to call it off.

 

[Tirdent]

There aren't confirmed specs for JL-2. I did however try to estimate them from imagery. Post here https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pl...r-submarine-thread.t6883/page-221#post-577949

I went with 11 m long, roughly 2 m wide.

I also don't know where the reduced third stage idea comes from since from the images we do have of jl-2, it doesn't appear to be reduced at all.

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Image by PLA Daily paper, so it should be legit enough.

What's inside the tip though? For a full-diameter third stage (i.e. either a short full-diameter motor topped by a "crown" of warheads as on M45 or a reduced-diameter motor surrounded by a ring of RVs to fill the entire diameter like Trident) the parade configuration seems to be missing one separation joint. OTOH it matches the R-39 with its blunt-tipped ARSS pretty well:



BTW, as another data point regarding the payload vs. range trade-off, one paper I have gives the following relationship for Trident D5:
- 7400km (4000nm) with 8xMk5 RV (475kt W88 warhead) or 14xMk4 RV (100kt W76 warhead)
- 11000km with 4xMk5 or 8xMk4

So very roughly, reducing the payload by half extends range by approximately 50%, with the 14x100kt load-out probably equating to the commonly quoted 2800kg throw weight (W76 is supposed to weigh around 100kg and as a general rule warhead total mass comes to about 50% of missile throw weight - the rest is guidance, post-boost vehicle and pen-aids). There's also the following diagram, though for a two-stage configuration (you could probably scale it to accurately reflect Poseidon, but it's probably a poor representation of a three-stage missile - the regular D5 lofts 6000lb over 4000nm):

 

[by78]

DF-26 launch.

 

[shanlung]

Not to split hairs here, but RT is not really a considered to be credible. Especially with regards to US news. The amount of salacious accounts rivals that of Breitbart at times I swear.
And I have yet to hear of any recent missile attack on Saudi Arabia.

You did not read of this?

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That was on 14th September.

I wrote what I written shortly after that in Quora which was why that 'as demonstrated so clearly in KSA 'a few days ago ' ' came from.

Sue me if you do not like my not changing of that phrase just for you.

 

[Strategic Analyst]

space assets would get knocked out long before nuke strikes

Yes. And who can put up the most satellites will win. Satellites will be the aircraft of any future major conflict.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

You did not read of this?

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That was on 14th September.

I wrote what I written shortly after that in Quora which was why that 'as demonstrated so clearly in KSA 'a few days ago ' ' came from.

Sue me if you do not like my not changing of that phrase just for you.

That's was months ago, not a few days. While you may feel smug about shifting the goal posts, it does nothing to cheapen your message.
What you are doing here is putting forth a false claim.

 

[Broccoli]

What's inside the tip though? For a full-diameter third stage (i.e. either a short full-diameter motor topped by a "crown" of warheads as on M45 or a reduced-diameter motor surrounded by a ring of RVs to fill the entire diameter like Trident) the parade configuration seems to be missing one separation joint. OTOH it matches the R-39 with its blunt-tipped ARSS pretty well:

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BTW, as another data point regarding the payload vs. range trade-off, one paper I have gives the following relationship for Trident D5:
- 7400km (4000nm) with 8xMk5 RV (475kt W88 warhead) or 14xMk4 RV (100kt W76 warhead)
- 11000km with 4xMk5 or 8xMk4

So very roughly, reducing the payload by half extends range by approximately 50%, with the 14x100kt load-out probably equating to the commonly quoted 2800kg throw weight (W76 is supposed to weigh around 100kg and as a general rule warhead total mass comes to about 50% of missile throw weight - the rest is guidance, post-boost vehicle and pen-aids). There's also the following diagram, though for a two-stage configuration (you could probably scale it to accurately reflect Poseidon, but it's probably a poor representation of a three-stage missile - the regular D5 lofts 6000lb over 4000nm):

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W76 weight seems to be placed between 91-170kg depending on source.

According to Soviet data, W76 has the weight of 91.7 kg (of which 61.5 kg was the nuclear charge, 22.7 kg - reentry vehicle body, and 6.7 kg - electronics).

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[shanlung]

That's was months ago, not a few days. While you may feel smug about shifting the goal posts, it does nothing to cheapen your message.
What you are doing here is putting forth a false claim.

Sue me

And another entity that will be going into my ignore list to join other trash inside there

Life is so much better and sweeter without entities seeking trouble and to fight with me over what they choose to fight with me with. As if I care anything about them or theirself own perceived righteousness and self importance.