China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread
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AssassinsMace
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Re: Chinese Prompt Global Strike: How Far From Reality?
This is one of those weapons where someone in the future will go, "WTF?" Vietnam had more bombs dropped on it than all used during WWII. How many bombs were dropped during the Iraq War? How many ICBMs does the US have to put how many conventional bombs that can be tipped for this Prompt Global Strike platform? What does that mean? You ain't going to win anything with it and on top of that it will be one of the most expensive military wastes of time and resources ever. The US has bases and aircraft carriers all over the world. A lot less cheaper platforms available that will do many times more of a job. This is probably one of those cases where Americans are looking at this from their perspective. Yeah if a foreign country was able to strike the US even if it ended up hitting a vacant lot doing nothing, it would be shocking and people would be in a panic. Americans are not use to being attacked at home but virtually everyone else in the world has experienced it. I had a friend of mine tell me that chances are within my lifetime I was going to die from an Arab terrorist attack in the US. This is the typical scare people into voting Republican tactic he was attempting. Because he didn't see me fall for it, he was insinuating I was un-American. I didn't fall for that before and he thinks I'm going to fall for it now? I can see many other more likely people with other motivations that would kill me than an Arab terriorist attack. Yeah because Americans think this is such an awesome weapon, of course they think everyone else is going to see it the same way. There was that story that someone from the US had mentioned this weapon to some Chinese official and reported that the official was stunned silent. Yeah probably not because of out of fear of a new awesome weapon that China would be vulnerable to but because it instead sounded like a joke and the official was waiting for the punchline. Given how many bombs have been dropped in previous wars to no where near a victory in the end and add how many expensive platforms can they produce for how many conventionals bombs for Prompt Global Stike, do they think they can come close to crippling China with that? If someone else possessed the weapon, yeah it would be very effective against Americans simply for the psychological value because that's what they just let everyone know.
This is one of those weapons where someone in the future will go, "WTF?" Vietnam had more bombs dropped on it than all used during WWII. How many bombs were dropped during the Iraq War? How many ICBMs does the US have to put how many conventional bombs that can be tipped for this Prompt Global Strike platform? What does that mean? You ain't going to win anything with it and on top of that it will be one of the most expensive military wastes of time and resources ever. The US has bases and aircraft carriers all over the world. A lot less cheaper platforms available that will do many times more of a job. This is probably one of those cases where Americans are looking at this from their perspective. Yeah if a foreign country was able to strike the US even if it ended up hitting a vacant lot doing nothing, it would be shocking and people would be in a panic. Americans are not use to being attacked at home but virtually everyone else in the world has experienced it. I had a friend of mine tell me that chances are within my lifetime I was going to die from an Arab terrorist attack in the US. This is the typical scare people into voting Republican tactic he was attempting. Because he didn't see me fall for it, he was insinuating I was un-American. I didn't fall for that before and he thinks I'm going to fall for it now? I can see many other more likely people with other motivations that would kill me than an Arab terriorist attack. Yeah because Americans think this is such an awesome weapon, of course they think everyone else is going to see it the same way. There was that story that someone from the US had mentioned this weapon to some Chinese official and reported that the official was stunned silent. Yeah probably not because of out of fear of a new awesome weapon that China would be vulnerable to but because it instead sounded like a joke and the official was waiting for the punchline. Given how many bombs have been dropped in previous wars to no where near a victory in the end and add how many expensive platforms can they produce for how many conventionals bombs for Prompt Global Stike, do they think they can come close to crippling China with that? If someone else possessed the weapon, yeah it would be very effective against Americans simply for the psychological value because that's what they just let everyone know.
antiterror13
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Re: Chinese Prompt Global Strike: How Far From Reality?
China won't use ICBM for minor Global Strike capability because
1. Too expensive
2. It may trigger all out nuclear war, as other nuke powers won't be able to differentiate whether DF-31 is armed with nuke or conventional weapon
China won't use ICBM for minor Global Strike capability because
1. Too expensive
2. It may trigger all out nuclear war, as other nuke powers won't be able to differentiate whether DF-31 is armed with nuke or conventional weapon
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Re: Chinese Prompt Global Strike: How Far From Reality?
The ICBM global strike may needed only for high value targets which hitting it will be priceless.
And the day , China decide to deploy ASBM. It already raise the chance of having an accident nuke war.
I think Global strike is usually deploy during non conventional war time. For example , like hitting high value targets like Osama Bin Ladin(or non major power Aircraft carrier). China could inform major power prone to launching to avoid accidental nuclear war.
And usually an all out nuclear attack involved multiple ICBM launch like a dozen blast off and not just 1 -2 ICBM launching. I don't think China will utilise more than 2 ICBM for a single high value targets.
More or less using DF-31 as Global strike is feasible and I have explain well your doubts.
The ICBM global strike may needed only for high value targets which hitting it will be priceless.
And the day , China decide to deploy ASBM. It already raise the chance of having an accident nuke war.
I think Global strike is usually deploy during non conventional war time. For example , like hitting high value targets like Osama Bin Ladin(or non major power Aircraft carrier). China could inform major power prone to launching to avoid accidental nuclear war.
And usually an all out nuclear attack involved multiple ICBM launch like a dozen blast off and not just 1 -2 ICBM launching. I don't think China will utilise more than 2 ICBM for a single high value targets.
More or less using DF-31 as Global strike is feasible and I have explain well your doubts.
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AssassinsMace
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Re: Chinese Prompt Global Strike: How Far From Reality?
There have been people who warned the ASBM will automatically be viewed as a nuke strike. In other words, "Don't use it China or else..." Yet they pretty much expect a country like China to follow some protocol shortening the window to react and not have a trigger finger and waste time determining if Prompt Global Stike is or isn't a nuclear attack. They want to have their weapon but demand the ASBM never be used.
The reality is they aren't going to cripple China with conventional weapons on a first strike. So what would they have to use to prevent a counter attack from happening?
There have been people who warned the ASBM will automatically be viewed as a nuke strike. In other words, "Don't use it China or else..." Yet they pretty much expect a country like China to follow some protocol shortening the window to react and not have a trigger finger and waste time determining if Prompt Global Stike is or isn't a nuclear attack. They want to have their weapon but demand the ASBM never be used.
The reality is they aren't going to cripple China with conventional weapons on a first strike. So what would they have to use to prevent a counter attack from happening?
Red___Sword
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Re: Chinese Prompt Global Strike: How Far From Reality?
Mace, I simply love your posts.
To strike a target at high sea is vastly different from strike someone's sovereignty soil. Those who plays M.A.D. got the capability to early detect and differenciate the difference; those who can't early detect and differenciate, don't have enough weight to make a M.A.D. It is only hypes that plays around in our peace-time world.
Say, super-sonic cruise missile can also carry nuke warhead, and by the time the Russians arms themselves with super-sonic Ash cruise missiles, anyone can hype it that "this could accidently triggers a nuclear war" - did Russian give a damn?
And Everytime the US (and Brits as I know) shot a Tomahawk from sea to land, we can call it "nerves us to an all-out-nuke-war."
That's exactly the truth and the point, their logic is "I can vapourise you with every means, you can't strike back that I actually feels hurt, otherwise I will hammer you even harder with righteousness excuse." - Yup, it works bullying the other guys, but not works for China.
Mace, I simply love your posts.
To strike a target at high sea is vastly different from strike someone's sovereignty soil. Those who plays M.A.D. got the capability to early detect and differenciate the difference; those who can't early detect and differenciate, don't have enough weight to make a M.A.D. It is only hypes that plays around in our peace-time world.
Say, super-sonic cruise missile can also carry nuke warhead, and by the time the Russians arms themselves with super-sonic Ash cruise missiles, anyone can hype it that "this could accidently triggers a nuclear war" - did Russian give a damn?
And Everytime the US (and Brits as I know) shot a Tomahawk from sea to land, we can call it "nerves us to an all-out-nuke-war."
That's exactly the truth and the point, their logic is "I can vapourise you with every means, you can't strike back that I actually feels hurt, otherwise I will hammer you even harder with righteousness excuse." - Yup, it works bullying the other guys, but not works for China.
Re: Chinese Prompt Global Strike: How Far From Reality?
You can tell from the ballistic trajectory roughly what spot on earth the ballistic missile is aimed to target.
(or used to be, Topol-M and such made it bit harder). so no, a power with a integrated early warning sats would not confuse a ICBM targeted at strategic target with a AshBM ballistic missile targeting tactical targets.
now with an global strike weapon in a limited 1-2 rounds salvo targeting a fixed based target half way across the world may conceivabily be interpreted as a rougue ICBM launch. which in any case does not warrant an imediate and full nuclear counter strike. I would imagine the phone calls would be made to all relevent parties before the weapon is let fly so no one has any confused ideas.
You can tell from the ballistic trajectory roughly what spot on earth the ballistic missile is aimed to target.
(or used to be, Topol-M and such made it bit harder). so no, a power with a integrated early warning sats would not confuse a ICBM targeted at strategic target with a AshBM ballistic missile targeting tactical targets.
now with an global strike weapon in a limited 1-2 rounds salvo targeting a fixed based target half way across the world may conceivabily be interpreted as a rougue ICBM launch. which in any case does not warrant an imediate and full nuclear counter strike. I would imagine the phone calls would be made to all relevent parties before the weapon is let fly so no one has any confused ideas.
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AssassinsMace
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Re: Chinese Prompt Global Strike: How Far From Reality?
Let's also not forget the purpose of it being "prompt" is pointless. One scenario put out there is if a terrorist attack occurred, they could use Prompt Global Strike and attack within 30 minutes. How long did it take for the US to react after 9-11? That wasn't because Americans had to gather themselves after the fact. It was because the US had to identify the target. To strike within 30 minutes not knowing who's responsible makes it tremedously dangerous. Look at Newsmax with all their sensational politics and seems to be given a level reputation in the mainstream media had and still does to this day because they don't want to admit they were wrong or outright lied claimed China was behind 9-11. Or look at how people in the US government were using Tom Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon as evidence that China was about to invade Russia. What are the chances of a grave mistake especially 30 minutes after an attack? And you know some of them don't care and those are the people who think Prompt Global Strike is some sort of awesome weapon.
Let's also not forget the purpose of it being "prompt" is pointless. One scenario put out there is if a terrorist attack occurred, they could use Prompt Global Strike and attack within 30 minutes. How long did it take for the US to react after 9-11? That wasn't because Americans had to gather themselves after the fact. It was because the US had to identify the target. To strike within 30 minutes not knowing who's responsible makes it tremedously dangerous. Look at Newsmax with all their sensational politics and seems to be given a level reputation in the mainstream media had and still does to this day because they don't want to admit they were wrong or outright lied claimed China was behind 9-11. Or look at how people in the US government were using Tom Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon as evidence that China was about to invade Russia. What are the chances of a grave mistake especially 30 minutes after an attack? And you know some of them don't care and those are the people who think Prompt Global Strike is some sort of awesome weapon.
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