China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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Biscuits

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Agreed. So, with that in mind, aren't Type 094 SSBNs really not needed for China? OK, they might serve as a detterent against India or Russia, but we all know against who China really needs deterrent... And they can hardly help there.

The point of the program is most likely to keep SSBN technologies somewhat up to date. In case new technologies will suddenly favor them again.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Agreed. So, with that in mind, aren't Type 094 SSBNs really not needed for China? OK, they might serve as a detterent against India or Russia, but we all know against who China really needs deterrent... And they can hardly help there.

But but 094 is spring board to better Submarine type 095 that is now being built See you have to crawl before you can run Nuclear submarine development take along time you need to accumulate operational experience to formulate Spec for the latest and greatest submarine While at the same time the industrial base and technology of China is improving year by year So I expect type 95 will be on par with latest Russian or American sub
 

abc123

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But but 094 is spring board to better Submarine type 095 that is now being built See you have to crawl before you can run Nuclear submarine development take along time you need to accumulate operational experience to formulate Spec for the latest and greatest submarine While at the same time the industrial base and technology of China is improving year by year So I expect type 95 will be on par with latest Russian or American sub

I know. But, the basic problems of geography will remain, meaning that only meaningful area of patrol will remain the SCS. Everything else is too shallow, or inside of other countries territorial waters or easily blockaded or easy to put sensors like SOSUS so that enemy subs/MPAs/helicopters can relativly easy follow your SSBNs.
So, if future missiles will not have 14 000 km range from Hainan, I don't think that even Type 096 will help much.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I know. But, the basic problems of geography will remain, meaning that only meaningful area of patrol will remain the SCS. Everything else is too shallow, or inside of other countries territorial waters or easily blockaded or easy to put sensors like SOSUS so that enemy subs/MPAs/helicopters can relativly easy follow your SSBNs.
So, if future missiles will not have 14 000 km range from Hainan, I don't think that even Type 096 will help much.

That is assuming the west will maintain air superiority in SCS which is questionable now that China has built 3 large air bases in SCS Knowing is onevthing doing something about it is another question. That is why the west is worry because they can't track the submarine without air superiority in SCS
But Sossus is an outdated concept with ever quieter Submarine The US abandoned the sossus long time ago
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Instead the west now concentrated their effort with SURTASS But China too now have 3 large SURTASS ships. And China too has put Underwater great wall basically and update on Sossus becaue it also has active sea glider that scour the bottom of the sea in grid fashion in conjunction with
ASW patrol plane , satellite communication deep sea hydrophone which China has implant in Mariana trench
So what good for the geese is good for the gander READ a lot of my post in Littoral ASW thread
There are all kind of new Technology that China is working right now from Squid to Laser to Quantum technology
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I am looking forward for both ship commissioning, those 2 ship using ultra low frequencies can detect Sub as far away as 700 mile
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abc123

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So, with SURTASS ships submarines as weapon are finished, they hear them at Guam? US dosn't build better and more quiet submarines than China?
 

Hendrik_2000

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So, with SURTASS ships submarines as weapon are finished, they hear them at Guam? US dosn't build better and more quiet submarines than China?

And China built better ASW system too The time is long gone when US has complete control of under sea warfare And with every year the silent service will become more like transparent service!
China can listen the in and out of US submarine in Guam too
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Orthan

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And China built better ASW system too The time is long gone when US has complete control of under sea warfare And with every year the silent service will become more like transparent service!
China can listen the in and out of US submarine in Guam too
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Actually i wonder if china has ever detected USN submarines, especially the most recent ones.
 

Biscuits

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Actually i wonder if china has ever detected USN submarines, especially the most recent ones.

Probably fairly reciprocal. Chinese submarines sometimes “visit” American formations in Asia. Sometimes they stay hidden, sometimes they pop up.

Since such formations usually contain one or more USN submarines, it is likely that mutual detections are commonplace. The range of those detections happen at is more important. And that question is really hard to answer.
 

taxiya

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I know. But, the basic problems of geography will remain, meaning that only meaningful area of patrol will remain the SCS. Everything else is too shallow, or inside of other countries territorial waters or easily blockaded or easy to put sensors like SOSUS so that enemy subs/MPAs/helicopters can relativly easy follow your SSBNs.
So, if future missiles will not have 14 000 km range from Hainan, I don't think that even Type 096 will help much.
hehe, who says China will be forever locked inside these shallow waters?;) China is locked now because of US presence (control) of Japan and to lesser extent in Singapore and the Philippines. But will that situation stay forever? Isn't it too late to build up SSBNs only when the lock is gone? Remember there is no sudden moment of change, but rather steadily and gradual change over some years. Countries position can and is changing, those fancy devices can be gone too along the change in years, not being replaced after out of service life, or being picked out by fishermen or "accidently" crashed by deep sea subs for scientific research purpose.

Those devices are mostly useful in peace time. In time when a full blown war is coming imminently, countries who connect, operate and support such systems is likely the first victim of the shootout long before a nuclear exchange involving SSBN, that makes such monitoring system less effective to useless.
 
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