China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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Hyperwarp

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Some old pics:

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No. 4 are the DF-41 underground tunnel (L) and cross-country (R) TELs.

No. 1, 2 & 3 are speculated to be an unfinished prototype for the off-road DF-31A TEL (now likely the DF-31AG). Another speculation were it being an DF-31A ICBM reload transporter. But the most plausible speculations were a water tank for PLA banquet and a new ice-cream truck for front line soldiers. Dark green because it manly carries Banana ice-cream. Plawolf was one of the drivers.The one below is for strawberry ice-cream


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Broccoli

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But putting conventional warheads on an ICBM would be a huge waste. DF-31s are strategic assets and are produced in limited numbers. DF-26 can carry both nuclear and non-nuclear but it is an IRBM. ICBM should be there for one thing and one thing only and that is nuclear deterrence.

And if you fire conventional ICBM against nuclear power they could assume it has nuclear payload.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Henri K take on the new DF 31AG
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The Chinese Army, under its full name, People's Liberation Army (PLA), was founded by the Chinese Communist Party on 1 August 1927. To celebrate its 90th anniversary this year,
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where several military equipment Are presented, including a new ICBM Ground-Ground Mobile DF-31AG model .

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The model of DF-31AG on the left (Photo: yankeesama 的 帧 察 小队)

Unlike its older DF-31A , which is placed on a semi-trailer 1S1-31A , which is pulled by a road tractor, this new DF-31AG uses a 16 × 16 Tractor-Erector-Launcher (TEL) Thus its off-road capability.

The launch tube has several circular reinforcements, suggesting more pressure during missile take-off. Changes in the propulsion system, at least for the 1st stage, could have been implemented. It is therefore not excluded that a new type of propellant of the N-15 family, which develops a specific pulse (ISP) higher than that of HPTB and NEPE used in the other ICBMs of the world.

It is probably for this reason that this new variant of Chinese mobile ICBM is called DF-31AG, which should read DF-31A (改), where 改 (Gaï) means "Modified" in Chinese.

While the propulsion system of the missile seems to have evolved, there is no indication that its size has changed. The DF-31 and its extended range version DF-31A are mono-warhead ICBMs, the first and second stage of which measure 2 meters in diameter and 1.4 meters for the third stage. The maximum effective range of DF-31A is 12,500 km.

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Exercise of a Chinese ICBM brigade with a DF-31.

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One of the DF-31A during the military parade in September 2015

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The DF-31AG model exhibited in Beijing

The question arises today as to why Chinese rocket forces continue to evolve this mobile ICBM which made its first flight nearly 20 years ago, in August 1999, when the new DF-41 is already deployed?

Some analysts claim that the DF-31AG would be able to equip both nuclear and conventional warheads, or using an ICBM to deliver a non-atomic head is economically unprofitable and strategically very confusing. How can an opponent be able to distinguish his tile charges?

Others point to the possibility that this new variant could be equipped with a Boost-Glide head, in other words a hypersonic glider, to pierce the anti-missile shield and extend the range.

However, the geometrical shape of such a glider considerably reduces the usable internal volume of the machine, and hence the mass dedicated to the nuclear charge and therefore the power, without the precision being guaranteed with the level of technologies nowadays .

The Chinese studies have also demonstrated that a hypersonic glider does not contribute to increase the range of the craft, at least not significantly.

We also talk about a MiRV version of DF-31 capable of delivering several warheads at a time. The idea is seductive, of course, but for a "light" ICBM where the projectile mass is low and every kilogram should be fully dedicated to increase the chance that the warhead passes the opposing defense, using different types of lure.

Increasing the number of warheads to be projected amounts to reducing the number of such measures against anti-missile defense systems, and thus the effectiveness of such a type of vector.

Moreover, if the Chinese decided to add only one letter "G" behind the reference and not to increment and replace "A" with a "B" for example, then this means that the basic concept of DF-31A as a mono-warhead ICBM has not changed.

None of these assumptions is therefore fundamentally convincing.

Based on the first available elements today, it is believed that the DF-31AG would bring the following gains over previous versions:

  • Improve the off-road capability of the carrier, therefore its mobility and survivability
  • Increase the range of the missile at a lower cost, by changing its engines and reducing the structural mass
Therefore, the DF-31AG would be a project to upgrade the existing DF-31 and DF-31A to a more advanced standard without fundamentally changing the design. It is unclear, however, whether it is the DF-31B whose existence was revealed by the Americans after
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To be continued.

Henri K.

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Hendrik_2000

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What kind of mysterious missile are they testing ?

Testimonies on the mysterious shooting of 23/07 evening, which took place in Korla, Xinjiang. I talked about it in my article
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Hendrik_2000

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It is beautiful and eerie at the same time. From Henri K
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It is rare, not to say unusual, for an airline pilot to encounter a take-off missile at an altitude of 9,800 meters, but that is what happens to Christiaan van Heijst in China on Sunday Last, aboard his Boeing 747-8 .

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around 14:15 UTC, the Dutch pilot was surprised by a bright spot rising from the horizon, which turned into a bubble Droplet, rapidly gaining size and altitude.

A few minutes later, a long swirled trail varying in color and shape begins to form, probably with the exhaust of what it seems to be a rocket.

Surprised by what they see through their cockpit, the crew of the flight consults the messages to the airmen (NOTAM) on their route but finds only a closed area within a radius of 100 km around a point located at South of Ürümqi.

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Hendrik_2000

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So what did Christiaan van Heijst actually see?

It is actually a test of Chinese missile that was spoken on Sunday, in the folder "
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", Even before the launch took place.

The NOTAM that Christaan and his co-pilot have consulted should be the A2052 / 17, active between 13:50 and 15:00 UTC. The rare and interesting report of Christiaan shows that the missile is taking off between 14:10 and 14:15 UTC, and that it seems to be composed of two floors.

The missile departed from the Korla military launch site in a southeasterly direction to the south of Qinghai province, where the fallout zone is located. The distance traveled is estimated at 1,375 km.

The exact nature of this missile is unknown at this time, which could still be, according to our estimation, either an anti-ballistic missile or a scientific sounding rocket.

But if this is indeed the first case, then the interceptor missile should reach a ΔV greater than or equal to 3 km / s based on the range of the missile as suggested by the NOTAM.

It would therefore be a missile equivalent to that of the American THAAD-ER system . And the only one we know today in China is the famous HQ-19 (see our dossier "
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In fact our Dutch pilot is not the only witness of this Chinese missile test. By browsing through the Chinese blogosphere, at least ten people have been found who have posted photos and videos of what they believe to be an astronomical phenomenon or a UFO at the exact time of the test, which lasted about 15 minutes.

These photos and videos have been taken at different locations in China, which can be seen in this diagram - the yellow lines represent the aerial zones forbidden to fly over the NOTAMs, the witnesses are at the red dots and the white line Illustrates the possible trajectory of the missile.

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Missile test areas (yellow) and red testimonies (Image: East Pendulum)

And here are some of these testimonies:

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