China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[Delbert]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

Two things: The US, nuke-owning Western European nations and sometimes even Russia issue statements like this all the time too. That doesn't mean its true. None of them intend to get rid of their nukes anytime soon. It's just nice sounding talk. If anything China will be increasing its nuke stockpile soon, modernizing it and increasing the overall numbers (especially to equip the Type 094 with missiles.)

Second thing: An FAE doesn't even come close to the capabilities of a nuke. Not in terms of range and versatility, not in terms of destructivness.

China only has few stockpiles of nukes compared with US, or Russia.

Even though they built new warheads for thei Type 094 Submarines, it was still part of their development in enhancing their technology and capabilities, since USA and its allies still have a huge stockpiles.

In order to have an effective deterrent force, you must continuously develop and enhance your own systems.

China have no other choice, we have to face the reality that every nations are preparing itself to counter any possible threats. Especially from nuclear weapons.

 

[pla101prc]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

China only has few stockpiles of nukes compared with US, or Russia.

Even though they built new warheads for thei Type 094 Submarines, it was still part of their development in enhancing their technology and capabilities, since USA and its allies still have a huge stockpiles.

In order to have an effective deterrent force, you must continuously develop and enhance your own systems.

China have no other choice, we have to face the reality that every nations are preparing itself to counter any possible threats. Especially from nuclear weapons.

you dont need a thousand warheads pointing at someone to have effective deterrence. if you can land one nuke on their soil, you have effective deterrence. so all China really needs is a reliable second-strike capability...

 

[tonyget]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

It almost seems like yesterday when Mao Zedong said the Chinese would starve just to get a nuclear bomb, now there's talk of disarmarment. Times are changing indeed. People could destroy themselves with such weapons, that's why the world is safer without them. Maybe they are thinking of replacing the bombs with air-fuel explosives, which are just as destructive but without the radiation contamination. First time I've heard China wants to do away with nuclear weapons.

You are misleading the topic.


It says "China urges continued efforts to push forward international nuclear disarmament".

Don't get it wrong, China never says destroy own nuclear weapon while let others keep it, China says let's remove n weapons together

So I think you should change the topic name to "A World Without Nuclear Weapons?

 

[Ryz05]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

You are misleading the topic.

It says "China urges continued efforts to push forward international nuclear disarmament".

Don't get it wrong, China never says destroy own nuclear weapon while let others keep it, China says let's remove n weapons together

So I think you should change the topic name to "A World Without Nuclear Weapons?

China is urging the international community to nuclear disarmament, of course, but the country also has "worked for (the goal of nuclear disarmament) over the years." This says that China is at least reducing its nuclear arsenal, while hoping other nuclear armed countries like USA and Russia do the same in a verifiable manner. Also, I've never specifically said China will destroy its nuclear weapons while allowing other states to keep them (and neither did the article state China will keep them) so as for the title, it's neither wrong nor misleading.

 

[Delbert]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

You are misleading the topic.


It says "China urges continued efforts to push forward international nuclear disarmament".

Don't get it wrong, China never says destroy own nuclear weapon while let others keep it, China says let's remove n weapons together

So I think you should change the topic name to "A World Without Nuclear Weapons?

China does not need to dismantle first. Their stockpiles are way below compared to US and Russia.

During dismantling cases, it was being made proportionally based on the current numbers.

 

[Mightypeon]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

I do not think that Russia is Chinas main long term threat.
While I could see the "Qui Bono" for a Chinese "offense" against Russia (Siberias has resources, China wants resources, it is quite a stretch to assume that china wants to fight a nuclear war for them though), I cannot make up a potential reason for Russia to attack China. Assuming Russia wins a war with china, what are their war goals? Annexing Han-Chinese populations who would have a different language, a different religion and a strong backing power means Russia would soon get the mother of all Guerillia wars (although North china may not be that suited for Guerillia warfare).
I do not know the ethnic makeup at Chinas northern borders, but I dont think there are enough ethnic minorities that a Russian conqueror could potentially exploit.

To sum it up, the gains Russia could gain from defeating China are totally neglible.
The EU (especially if the Ukraine joins) however, sits on territories which are populated by Russians, speak Russian, and used to be a part of Russia. Also, I think that the Ukraine is a much nicer real estate than Mongolia.

If Russia gets aggressive, they will go West, not Southeast.

Even in central asia, a resurgent Russia could advance into areas easier to conquer and easier to hold.

 

[HKSDU]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

wow interesting from this article.

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Japan public opinion accuses China of North Korea nuclear testing, saying how cause China has nuclear weapons, North Korea feel threaten so resulting in their own nuclear project. Goes on about how Japan is persisting China to disarm is nukes? Huh? They got to be joking right? Wonder why Japan is so against China anyway with nukes? They do have a no first use policy by the way.

Non related why does Western Media and Japan keep saying China is not transparent enough saying they must state their intentions. China states their intentions anyway multiple times economic growth and Tawain scenario. Yet people keep on asking, are they deaf or something? Do the obviously expect China to tell you their top secret projects? Does any right minded nation anyway. Hope someone can clear this thing up with me, cause I'm at a loss right now about this.

 

[sumdud]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

Its yield is equivalent to 44 tons of TNT. For comparison, the device used in Hiroshima had a yield equivalent to 15,000 tons of TNT, while a modern H-bomb can have yields up to 5,000,000 tons of TNT. The most powerful bomb, a Soviet device, exploded at a yield equal to 50,000,000 tons of TNT during a test but was capable of 100,000,000 tons of TNT. Also at a weight of 7 tons, an ICBM will only be able to carry one of two of these devices compared with up to ten thermonuclear warheads.

Sure nukes are more powerful, but what's the point? You end up killing civilians and everything in the area for the next century. There is little use of nukes that Daisy Cutters can't do. FOABs can flatten castles also. There is simply no need.

you dont need a thousand warheads pointing at someone to have effective deterrence. if you can land one nuke on their soil, you have effective deterrence. so all China really needs is a reliable second-strike capability...

And so this is the only reason I have for nukes.

If you must kill everyone in the city..... chemical weapons are just as effective but with no/less long term consequences.....

 

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wow interesting from this article.

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Japan public opinion accuses China of North Korea nuclear testing, saying how cause China has nuclear weapons, North Korea feel threaten so resulting in their own nuclear project. Goes on about how Japan is persisting China to disarm is nukes? Huh? They got to be joking right? Wonder why Japan is so against China anyway with nukes? They do have a no first use policy by the way.

Is it wrong for Japan to concerned by China's Nuclear stockpile, they are the only nation to have been hit with a nuclear Bomb after all.

I am comforted by China's so called No first use policy about as far as I can throw any one.

 

[kroko]

Re: A China Without Nuclear Weapons?

wow interesting from this article.

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Japan public opinion accuses China of North Korea nuclear testing, saying how cause China has nuclear weapons, North Korea feel threaten so resulting in their own nuclear project. Goes on about how Japan is persisting China to disarm is nukes? Huh? They got to be joking right? Wonder why Japan is so against China anyway with nukes? They do have a no first use policy by the way.

Non related why does Western Media and Japan keep saying China is not transparent enough saying they must state their intentions. China states their intentions anyway multiple times economic growth and Tawain scenario. Yet people keep on asking, are they deaf or something? Do the obviously expect China to tell you their top secret projects? Does any right minded nation anyway. Hope someone can clear this thing up with me, cause I'm at a loss right now about this.

1st part: japan has a mix of fear, and to an extant, envy regarding china. japan (and for that matter all countries in the region, except north korea) distrusts china´s non-democratic regime, because they can go to war without justify themselves to the public opinion. the USA, despite having the hability to almost single handely conquer the entire world, is trusted by most nations because its a democratic nation, and it is very difficult for an democratic nation to attack other nations, because it has to justify itself to its public opinion. It took 9/11 attacks for george bush to master public support to invade afegahnistan and iraq (and both were obviously special cases).

2nd part: western and japanese governments stating that china must be transparent in military matters, its just for domestic consumption in their countries, to show that they are precocupied about world peace. Otherwise it would be a utter waste of time. China public opinion doesnt care about it, the chinese government much less.