Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

donnnage99

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They did know how to do it, there is no magic involved. As a narrow purpose strike plane it wasn't specified to carry it.
Proposed fighter developments of F-117 had radars.
FSS was not a well developed technique at the time of f-117's development and even then the FSS would have to allow for quite broad x band frequencies to pass through. There are quite a few RAS techniques that went into developing a stealthy radar from RCS standpoint.
The proposal for Seahawks came out in 1993, way after the b-2 had figured out how to get a radar onboard. Btw, isn't b-2 also a drop a bomb and get out aircraft that strangely featured a radar *eyes roll*
The problem it only works when you can see from the rear and/or silent fighters can in fact get into the WEZ.
Huh? No one was arguing for an invincible tactic. What's the purpose of this side note?
 

Jason_

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You're selectively quoting my statement to strawman here.
That's pathetic. You attacked the idea of the J-36 using its side array to provide situational awareness to friendly fighters by claiming, falsely, that fighters do not use their radars for scanning. This is absurd. As I explained, while it is a good idea for many or even most of the fighters in a formation to stay radio silent, someone has to emit to get situational awareness from the RF spectrum. Close to China's shores, that someone can be KJ-500 or a ship or land based radars. Further away and you need a stealthy aircraft that stays survivable when emitting. That's the role of the J-36.
Again, this wasn't the point. You know it.
Your point is wrong. You don't know what you are talking about.
Define "vastly". Unless you have quantitative numbers you cannot prove that this tactic is operationally outdated.
Easily. Suppose you have a 1*1m X band radar with a peak power of 100kW. Your target is -30dbsm. Let's say your scanner aircraft is 30km behind the front line of radio silent shooters. At 70km (approximately the range of an AMRAAM from a subsonic launcher) the radar return signal is 9.24*10^-6W and at 100km the radar return signal is 2.22*10^-7W. That's a 5 fold difference.
And how the hell would you know hiding the exhaust is enough to reduce to "no emission" level at operationally relevant range?
Because IR emission for a Lambertian surface is proportional to projection area and the fourth power of temperature. The engine exhaust have much higher temperature than the rest of the plane and thus much higher IR emission. But if it is hidden, from a projection area point of view the J-36's side is pretty similar to the front.
 

sutton999

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Does anyone know why every CCA that is known (or rendered) so far all have V tails instead of tailless? If they are detected, wouldn't they be a sign that another more stealthy main jet is somewhere behind?
CCA was 3m a pop expendable. Most recently it has become 30m non-expendable, aiming at 1000 pieces.
The US has many islands, CCA was supposed to be hidden on these islands with little supporting infrastructure.
 

talonn

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6:12-7:06
Commander of the 412th Test Wing at Edwards AFB,Brig. Gen. Douglas P. Wickert is talking about two 6th gen fighter,
"the pundits are calling it JH-36", he said
I wounder was he debrifed in such a name? Is this a consensus within the U.S. military now?
They are supposed to be the 'pundits', not some random PLA watchers on internet
 

siegecrossbow

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6:12-7:06
Commander of the 412th Test Wing at Edwards AFB,Brig. Gen. Douglas P. Wickert is talking about two 6th gen fighter,
"the pundits are calling it JH-36", he said
I wounder was he debrifed in such a name? Is this a consensus within the U.S. military now?

Yankeesama did mention that the “Soviets” will first think that it is an F-111B before finding out that it is actually an F-14.
 
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