Supersonic manuevering, for starters.
And much faster roll and yaw response, which directly translate into higher bandwidth requirement.
If you want numbers you'll need to ask CAC, nicely.
Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread
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And much faster roll and yaw response, which directly translate into higher bandwidth requirement.
If you want numbers you'll need to ask CAC, nicely.
That's why it's still just rumor. Trump probably keep full sized NGAD going just because he doesn't want US plane to be smaller than China's.
Slow response doesn’t mean can’t be used to maneuver at all or be used in combination with other options
If they are truly going to go with B-21 as the A2A missile truck combined with a much smaller NGAD fighter, the US truly is behind in the latest air dominance field. B-21 cannot substitute something like the J-36. It doesn't fly nearly quick enough to be a "fighter". Missile trucks are fine and all and honestly a great thing to have. We've been talking about A2A missile trucks slinging LRAAMs or ULRAAMs for years now and hoping for PLAAF to eventually field a JH-xy missile truck with Tu-22M speed, B-21 payload capacity and J-20 electronic war... this is what we got with J-36 only with all aspect stealth. The main issue for a subsonic missile truck is speed. B-21 just doesn't have even half the speed a J-36 will impart on LR/ULRAAMs.
Even assuming operating altitude is similar, J-36 missiles will have more than twice the initial kinetic energy before missile motors kick in.
Not to mention the J-36 almost definitely will turn better than a pure flying wing.
Even assuming operating altitude is similar, J-36 missiles will have more than twice the initial kinetic energy before missile motors kick in.
Not to mention the J-36 almost definitely will turn better than a pure flying wing.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Why so butthurt? Are you just blind or are you one of those ultra Kool aid drinkers who is just overly sensitive and defensive to everything even semi remotely critical of China.
Unlike you I try to be objective. This plane could take out a dozen F22s at the same time and I'll give it credit but it's still ugly from the side profile.
Below a certain bandwidth threshold it's usually refereed to as trim, not manueverig, e.g. the recent crash where pilots controlled pitch and yaw using throttle after losing tail controls
But I'm not going to argue semantics, it is what it is.
lcloo
Captain
The essence of dog fighting is to manuever into firing position before the enemy do the same. J36 is fighting on a different level from current ones.
If you can't detect a J36 from a distance then you can't manuever into firing position, and your sensors may be fried by the powerful ECM from J36 making you blind. So J36 has the advantage of shooting you down without hard manuevering, and from a safe distance from you.
Many people said J36 is not a fighter, I think they are right. It is a combat dominance aircraft, it does not need to fight like a fighter to kill you.
If you can't detect a J36 from a distance then you can't manuever into firing position, and your sensors may be fried by the powerful ECM from J36 making you blind. So J36 has the advantage of shooting you down without hard manuevering, and from a safe distance from you.
Many people said J36 is not a fighter, I think they are right. It is a combat dominance aircraft, it does not need to fight like a fighter to kill you.
That's J-3.6
He doesn't do to scale he makes planes that fly VERY well, I have a lot of his designs and I'll take squintscale over scale any day of the week. They built very quick and fly much better than the foam scale versions (looking at you xfly / eflite )
I believe J-36 likely has 3D TVC capability.
6th gen tailless combat planes likely has different emphasis on maneuverability methods than traditional fighters. We're probably more likely to see emphasis on tail-drift like sideways maneuver rather than traditional emphasis on roll-pull turn. At higher altitudes/speeds the control emphasis/weight will shift towards TVC with control surfaces provide marginal/additional stabilizing affect. Altitude control will require thrust vectoring. Stealth wise this may also mean less signature exposure during maneuvering.
Traditional flying is nose-pointing, with J-36 it's more like tail-steering/engine-pointing. Very rough analogy, a bit like how you would steer a boat with outboard motor. It will still fly like a normal plane at lower altitude/speed, like the test flight video you are seeing. But my guess is mission wise it will transition through this flight region relatively quickly after take-off and perform most of it's mission above wise. Unfortunately this may mean we'll never see J-36 maneuver as it is really designed too, even if in the future it flies at Zhuhai (if ever at all). And trolls will continue to laugh at its sluggish low-altitude flight behaviour, as that's all they'll likely ever see.
Unless of course we get some eye candy videos shot in future by accompanying J-20s of the J-36's flight performance at higher speed/altitudes
J-36 will have altitude advantage over it's adversaries so it's AAM will be look-down shoot-down, and it shows with the sensor window placement on both side of nose. It feels awkward until maybe you realized it's supposed to look a-little downwards maybe.
At 20,000 meters the J-26's sight distance to horizon is 500km.
6th gen tailless combat planes likely has different emphasis on maneuverability methods than traditional fighters. We're probably more likely to see emphasis on tail-drift like sideways maneuver rather than traditional emphasis on roll-pull turn. At higher altitudes/speeds the control emphasis/weight will shift towards TVC with control surfaces provide marginal/additional stabilizing affect. Altitude control will require thrust vectoring. Stealth wise this may also mean less signature exposure during maneuvering.
Traditional flying is nose-pointing, with J-36 it's more like tail-steering/engine-pointing. Very rough analogy, a bit like how you would steer a boat with outboard motor. It will still fly like a normal plane at lower altitude/speed, like the test flight video you are seeing. But my guess is mission wise it will transition through this flight region relatively quickly after take-off and perform most of it's mission above wise. Unfortunately this may mean we'll never see J-36 maneuver as it is really designed too, even if in the future it flies at Zhuhai (if ever at all). And trolls will continue to laugh at its sluggish low-altitude flight behaviour, as that's all they'll likely ever see.
Unless of course we get some eye candy videos shot in future by accompanying J-20s of the J-36's flight performance at higher speed/altitudes
J-36 will have altitude advantage over it's adversaries so it's AAM will be look-down shoot-down, and it shows with the sensor window placement on both side of nose. It feels awkward until maybe you realized it's supposed to look a-little downwards maybe.
At 20,000 meters the J-26's sight distance to horizon is 500km.
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