Chen Guangcheng is in the US embassy in Beijing!!

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AssassinsMace

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Is China really making big deal about it. The only ones making Chen seem important to date is the West. I've really heard nothing about how China views him excpet he's under scrunity. Given what his cause is, it's not really political. If you listen to the West no protests are allowed and there always a brutal crackdown. No, China supposedly has over a 100,000 protests year mostly about economics and quality of life. And when you hear about those, the government seems to a lot of times submit. It's the politically motivated ones that the government drops the hammer. When news broke that Chen was missing, these very human rights organizations supposedly behind this said Chen just wanted to live like everyone else and wasn't seeking to leave China. Now if you listen to the Western media, it's totally the opposite. If he's seeking to leave, his cause is pointless now. He ain't going to be doing anything significant except as a propaganda piece for foreign anti-China agendas.
 

Mr T

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What's interesting is that there's no consensus about how the situation will pan out. Some people have suggested that negotiations are already going on and that a deal could be reached in a few days. Others are more sceptical. There's an extra problem if Chen doesn't want to leave China.

China should just deport his entire family and let the U.S. take him in.

"Deported" is the wrong word. They can't be deported because they're Chinese citizens. A country deports foreign citizens that no longer have the legal right to be there - e.g. no visa, visa has expired/been withdrawn. The Chinese government would have to exile or banish them - assuming there is a legal provision to do that. A simpler way would be to convince them to leave, tear up their passports and refuse to issue new ones. So they'd still be Chinese citizens but without the means to return to China.

I just read about how Chen evaded 100 guards and ran with his family on foot into a forest trying escape capture.

Who said that? The reports I've seen said his family are still in their village.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Who said that? The reports I've seen said his family are still in their village.

I saw it this morning on Good Morning America which they were quoting a newspaper article that they had on the screen. I think it was Reuters.

Just as I'm writing this I'm watching what I DVRed of NBC Today Show this morning and they go back to the original statement that Chen doesn't want to leave. The media is contradicting themselves.
 
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The old "Let 300 million Chinese Asylum Seekers head West" gambit. I have not heard that one for a long time.

No doubt about it though, the discomfort on this matter is definitely on the US side, with a State Dept. envoy in town ahead of Hillary's visit later today.

Global Times is actively downplaying the importance of Chen to the matters to be discussed:
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I would however be very surprised if Beijing will be prepared not to use such a convenient negotiating lever. The US is coming to solicit Chinese help in various problems and I would be very surprised if a condition of this help were not a statement affirming respect for Chinese Legal Sovereignty at the very least. The demand that Chen is immediately released back to Chinese custody will probably be the baseline for any discussions to take place at all.
I wonder if the general silence from Washington on this issue is specifically to create the space necessary to be able to do this?

It should be very interesting today!

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stop Press!

Elvis has left the building - and of his own volition they claim!

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A.Man

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I have an idea. If I were the top official in China, I would allow all the "dissidents" to enter US Embassy in Beijing freely, e.g. removing the guards around the embassy. Dissidents should include anyone who thinks they are persecuted by CCP government. In order to help them to get to USA, I would issue them "hard evidence" or certificates of persecution, like many small law firms doing in Chinatowns across US. In addition I would set a perimeter around US Embassy and charge western reporters expensive fees on a daily base for best spots, because they would be able to videotape thousands dissidents entering embassy everyday. In this way, Chinese government would have a chance to solve some social unrest problems, provide more jobs for small business around the embassy (as a major touristic attraction of Beijing), provide legitimate channel for some people to emigrate to US, and earn some reputations of "respecting human rights." Chinese people might benefit from the reduced competition in job market due to massive exodus of "dissidents" and less or no demand for food from these people, who would be supported by US government. As to western media, they would obtain endless supply of ammo to bash China. By issuing political asylum to these "dissidents", US government would strengthen its status as savior of oppressed people anywhere in the world and as beacon of democracy. So this is a perfectly dynamic and winning situation for everyone. I am looking forward to that wonderful day. Please do not laugh, I am serious.

I am not just laughing. You think that everyone in China wanted to go the United States. You think that the United States is the promised land? The Land of Opportunities is in China, young man!
 

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Cheng Guangcheng, the blind human rights activist who escaped house arrest and was widely believed to be under the protection of the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, is seeking medical treatment at Chaoyang hospital in Beijing and has reunited with his family, according to a senior U.S. official.

Sources tell ABC News that U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke, Legal Advisor to the Department of State Harold Koh and Assistant Secretary of State for Asian and Pacific Asian Affairs Kurt Campbell escorted Chen to the hospital where was reunited with his wife, Yuan Weijing, and their two small children. It is not known how long Chen will remain at the hospital. U.S. officials will continue to be able to meet with him while he is there.

China is demanding an apology from the U.S. for allowing Chen to enter the embassy. U.S. officials continued to decline to comment on his whereabouts until Wednesday, but in a statement the Chinese Foreign Ministry has said that Chen spent six days at the U.S. embassy and left of his own volition.

The unexpected diplomatic crisis has arisen at a sensitive time. The news of Chen's whereabouts came just hours after Secretary of State Hilary Clinton arrived in Beijing to attend the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. Top level officials on both sides have been locked in intense meetings on the fate of Mr. Chen for days.

The U.S. has long called for human rights reform in China, with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton singling Chen out by name in the past.

Topics expected to be addressed at the SED meetings include nuclear proliferation in Iran and North Korea, currency evaluation and international trade; key issues on which the U.S. is seeking more significant Chinese support. The Republican administration is also accusing the U.S. of being "soft" on China, further complicating finding a resolution on Chen's future.

Dissident sources emphasize that Chen does not want to leave China for the U.S. and never sought asylum. Hu Jia, a friend and fellow activist, told ABC News the Chen firmly believes that staying in China is critical to his fight against corruption and injustice. Chen only entered the U.S. Embassy, Hu said, because his supporters believed the police were aware he was in Beijing and they could no longer keep him safe.

Outside Chaoyang hospital Jian Tianyong, a human rights lawyer who has worked with Chen in the past, told ABC News that he received a phone call from Chen once he had arrived at the hospital. Jian said that Chen is still in poor health and has been in need of medical attention for several years.

Chen first came to international attention in 2005 for exposing the abortions and forced sterilizations of women in China's rural communities as part of the country's One Child Policy. In 2006 he was sentenced to more than four years in prison for likely trumped up charges of disturbing public disorder.

Upon his release he was placed under extrajudicial house arrest at his home in Dongshigu. On Sunday April 22 Chen made a daring escape from what he has described in videos released online as a brutal house arrest in Shandong Province.

The whereabouts of He Peirong, the young activist who drove Chen to Beijing, remains unknown. Sources in the dissident community say she was last heard from on Friday April 27 and is believed to be in police custody.
 

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The timing of the release before Hillary's meetings were scheduled to begin really says it all.

Chen's return to Chinese custody was clearly made a precondition of any meeting happening at all and whatever Hillary wants to discuss is so important to her that she paid the price without argument, just to get in through the door.

Moving away from Chen for a second you have to guess that whatever Hillary is hoping to get, she will now; having shown a pretty desperate hand, have to pay very dear indeed.

I see the spinning of the story is already in top gear, but I would recommend the above comments as the only salient and relevant features of the affair so far.
 

Schumacher

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Maybe someone updated the guy on how US treated 'dissidents' of the Occupy movement, in Guantanamo & Abu Ghraib etc so he got cold feet & decided he's better off remaining in China. :)
 

bd popeye

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Maybe someone updated the guy on how US treated 'dissidents' of the Occupy movement, in Guantanamo & Abu Ghraib etc so he got cold feet & decided he's better off remaining in China. :)

Occupy movement persons..ie hippies were/are in violation of the law because of their unlawful assemblies. They want to rob the rich to give to the undeserving.

The persons in Guantanamo & Abu Ghraib were and are enemy combatants. And torture is wrong in case you were wondering.
 
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