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b787

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The JF-17, a joint Sino-Pakistani fighter project, is a single engine fighter developed, conceptually, as a modern MiG-21. Given how global fighter fleets have deteriorated since the end of the Cold War, the idea seemed sound; a low-cost fighter that didn’t present major technical challenges, and that could serve as a cheap option for revitalizing many air forces. Like many such low-end projects, however, the “maybe good enough” JF-17 has yet to catch on with defence ministries fixated on prestige and technology.

Recently, however, indications have emerged that a few countries might have an interest.

Argentina badly needs to recapitalize its fighter fleet, which continues to operate some of the same aircraft that fought in the Falklands War. Unfortunately for Buenos Aires, however, the United Kingdom exercises an effective veto over any purchases from Europe. The trans-national nature of the modern aerospace industry (and especially of the European defense sector) makes for multiple veto points in defense deals. British producers have a hand in the production of components of the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Saab Gripen, and London has wasted no time trying to quash potential deals for new fighters. Britain has applied similar pressure on U.S. fighter producers.

This leaves Argentina with few options. It can turn to Russia or China, and at the moment the Argentinian government appears to be talking to both.

Apparently, Nigeria has also expressed some interest in the JF-17. A small organization with few dedicated combat aircraft, the Nigerian Air Force has relied on the Chengdu F-7 (China’s MiG-21 clone). The JF-17, which is heavily influenced by the F-7 and shares some characteristics with it, might be ideal for Nigerian service. Jane’s reports that Nigeria could purchase as many as 40 JF-17s, which would provide a huge boost for its air force and for the export prospects of the fighter.

The JF-17 is cheap, and given the source material, buyers might have some hope that it will prove a reliable airframe. Russia has positioned itself a bit upmarket for countries like Nigeria, and perhaps even Argentina. If Nigeria and Argentina sign on, then similarly positioned countries such as Venezuela, Egypt, and others might develop an interest.

And if buying the JF-17 leads to development of a solid procurement and upkeep relationship between China and a customer, then another fighter looms on the horizon. An Argentinian Air Force pleased with its acquisition of JF-17s might well consider the wisdom of acquiring the J-31, if export promises come true. Success stores in the modern arms trade come from building relationships, and it’s possible to see the JF-17 sale as the beginning of a high-low mix of Chinese fighter exports.

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Miragedriver

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.......And if buying the JF-17 leads to development of a solid procurement and upkeep relationship between China and a customer, then another fighter looms on the horizon. An Argentinian Air Force pleased with its acquisition of JF-17s might well consider the wisdom of acquiring the J-31, if export promises come true. Success stores in the modern arms trade come from building relationships, and it’s possible to see the JF-17 sale as the beginning of a high-low mix of Chinese fighter exports.

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I would love to see FMAdeA begin assembly of the JF-17/FC-1 aircraft. However, here are some strategic things to consider. The Argentine considerations for a new fighter needs to take into account what its role would be and to carry out useful tasks during ongoing disputes that can turn violent with Chile and UK over territory claims around Cape Horn and the Antarctic, not the Falklands/Malvinas. Cape Horn is one of the most violent seas bordering to the harsh lands of Patagonia, Tierra del Fuego and the Andes mountains that require climate and terrain trained troops to carry out demanding missions and be useful in warfare. Combat (and Transport) aircraft that operate in this region of the world will need to share many similar requirements with nations such as Canada, Sweden, Norway and Russia. The major problem is not having a capable aircraft, but having a capable system with none too weak component, including the fighter. This relies heavily on giving the fighters direction and timing by superior intelligence in order to win aerial combat.


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Miragedriver

Brigadier
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Thinking more about what I posted above: Any combat operations with Chile will require aircraft that can operate in the BVR and WVR envelope. Another issue to consider is bombing and strike missions. This again puts one into purchasing a multi role aircraft, which in my opinion is a more expensive aircraft that can do neither air superiority of strike mission well, just adequate. Personally I prefer utilizing older aircraft for the bombing and strike missions and spend my limited monies on true air superiority aircraft. If older aircraft are too old and dangerous to keep operational then the only option left is the utilization of UAV/drones for high risk strike mission.

All of this requires one important thing that the current Christina administration has not taken into account. That would be the use of AWAC and data link. This would not only assist the air superiority aircraft in their objective, but also bombing with AWAC. This UAV/drone solution to bombing problems might best be researched with assistance of Israel since it provides many alternatives in this situation. I would combine it with communication to a lower flying data processing AWAC aircraft. You also reduce the bomber demand on manned aircrafts more monies can be spent on air superiority fighters with BVR due to the system integration and WVR due to flight characteristics. The fighter with good WVR characteristics are important to keep the Chileans not trigger happy about starting a conflict.

One thing to remember is that any conflict with Chile will most likely involve some sort of assistance from Great Britain. That means that French and other Western European aircraft are out of the question due to Chile-UK common interests disputed by Argentina.

So we are left with the Russian products and possibly some Chinese equipment. MiG-29K/M, Su-33/27 JF-17 and J-10 (maybe) are in the race. It's my opinion that Sukhoi is the better design bureau and MiG needs subsidies to survive. Ordering a MiG would leave one with higher costs as the design is not produced in as high numbers as the modern Sukhoi’s. The numerous Sukhoi exports make it more likely to acquire some components from other countries than Russia.

Both the Su-33/27 Flankers as well as the JF-17 are options is I see it unlikely that China would sale J-10s to anyone other than Pakistan. The fashion in Latin America is for buying cheap second hand fighters, but if I were in charge, I would try to get my hands on second hand Su-27s if Israeli upgrades on avionics and networking are possible. The avionics in the Indian Sukhoi’ s are very good and they do have a longstanding tradition of cooperation with Israel, making the Sukhoi, HAL and Israel deal the most promising choice. Israeli input is needed especially for state of the art fried-foe recognition networked with the aerial surveillance and defense aid systems.

The Su-33/27 Flanker is a cheaper option that can be obtained second hand and can be networked with Israeli avionics for processing surveillance data and friend-foe distinction and has a whole family line of 4++ evolutions available for upgrades.
The other option would be the JF-17 with Israeli avionics

PS: these are just my ramblings. I don’t want to start a Falklands/Malvinas argument with other forum members. Just want to give some insight as to the aircraft acquisition process. Thanks.

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b787

Captain
I would love to see FMAdeA begin assembly of the JF-17/FC-1 aircraft. However, here are some strategic things to consider. The Argentine considerations for a new fighter needs to take into account what its role would be and to carry out useful tasks during ongoing disputes that can turn violent with Chile and UK over territory claims around Cape Horn and the Antarctic, not the Falklands/Malvinas. Cape Horn is one of the most violent seas bordering to the harsh lands of Patagonia, Tierra del Fuego and the Andes mountains that require climate and terrain trained troops to carry out demanding missions and be useful in warfare. Combat (and Transport) aircraft that operate in this region of the world will need to share many similar requirements with nations such as Canada, Sweden, Norway and Russia. The major problem is not having a capable aircraft, but having a capable system with none too weak component, including the fighter. This relies heavily on giving the fighters direction and timing by superior intelligence in order to win aerial combat.


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b787

Captain
**Off Topic**

Thinking more about what I posted above: Any combat operations with Chile will require aircraft that can operate in the BVR and WVR envelope. Another issue to consider is bombing and strike missions. This again puts one into purchasing a multi role aircraft, which in my opinion is a more expensive aircraft that can do neither air superiority of strike mission well, just adequate. Personally I prefer utilizing older aircraft for the bombing and strike missions and spend my limited monies on true air superiority aircraft. If older aircraft are too old and dangerous to keep operational then the only option left is the utilization of UAV/drones for high risk strike mission.

All of this requires one important thing that the current Christina administration has not taken into account. That would be the use of AWAC and data link. This would not only assist the air superiority aircraft in their objective, but also bombing with AWAC. This UAV/drone solution to bombing problems might best be researched with assistance of Israel since it provides many alternatives in this situation. I would combine it with communication to a lower flying data processing AWAC aircraft. You also reduce the bomber demand on manned aircrafts more monies can be spent on air superiority fighters with BVR due to the system integration and WVR due to flight characteristics. The fighter with good WVR characteristics are important to keep the Chileans not trigger happy about starting a conflict.

One thing to remember is that any conflict with Chile will most likely involve some sort of assistance from Great Britain. That means that French and other Western European aircraft are out of the question due to Chile-UK common interests disputed by Argentina.

So we are left with the Russian products and possibly some Chinese equipment. MiG-29K/M, Su-33/27 JF-17 and J-10 (maybe) are in the race. It's my opinion that Sukhoi is the better design bureau and MiG needs subsidies to survive. Ordering a MiG would leave one with higher costs as the design is not produced in as high numbers as the modern Sukhoi’s. The numerous Sukhoi exports make it more likely to acquire some components from other countries than Russia.

Both the Su-33/27 Flankers as well as the JF-17 are options is I see it unlikely that China would sale J-10s to anyone other than Pakistan. The fashion in Latin America is for buying cheap second hand fighters, but if I were in charge, I would try to get my hands on second hand Su-27s if Israeli upgrades on avionics and networking are possible. The avionics in the Indian Sukhoi’ s are very good and they do have a longstanding tradition of cooperation with Israel, making the Sukhoi, HAL and Israel deal the most promising choice. Israeli input is needed especially for state of the art fried-foe recognition networked with the aerial surveillance and defense aid systems.

The Su-33/27 Flanker is a cheaper option that can be obtained second hand and can be networked with Israeli avionics for processing surveillance data and friend-foe distinction and has a whole family line of 4++ evolutions available for upgrades.
The other option would be the JF-17 with Israeli avionics

PS: these are just my ramblings. I don’t want to start a Falklands/Malvinas argument with other forum members. Just want to give some insight as to the aircraft acquisition process. Thanks.

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Miragedriver

Brigadier
Uruguayan Armed Forces appointed new commanders

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(defensa.com) The new military hierarchies take office next February 1st. In the Navy, Rear Admiral Leonardo Alonso, current Director General of Naval Material, replaced as chief in command to Admiral Ricardo Giambruno. The next naval chief was president of the Uruguayan Antarctic Institute, Fleet Commander and Chief Coordinator Search and Rescue Centre at Sea Naval well in Spain.

In the Army, General Guido Manini Rios, current National Director of Health of the Armed Forces paratrooper, teacher, who was a military observer in Mozambique and on the border between Iran and Iraq, former military attache in the US and historian, will replace General Juan Villagran.

The Chiefs of Defence, General Nelson Pinto, commander of the Army Division III, former head of Logistical Support Command of the Army, replaced General Milton Ituarte, a decision that surprised, since it was expected that soon assume the Navy and then the Air Force. Pintos was aide to the president-elect Tabaré Vázquez, during his first presidency. Uruguayan Air Force continues commanding general of the air, Washington Martínez until midway through the second half of 2015.

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Miragedriver

Brigadier
Official delivery of the first 8 Mi-171Sh-P to the Army Aviation Brigade of Peru

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(defensa.com) In a ceremony held at its headquarters operations, located beside the "Jorge Chavez" International Airport, Aviation Brigade of the Army of Peru officially received its first 8 transport helicopters and Mi-171Sh Combat Hip-P H. the event was attended by the President of the Republic, Ollanta Humala, the Defense Minister, Pedro Cateriano Bellido and General Commander of the Army, Army General Ronald Hurtado Jimenez, as well as the commander of the Aviation Brigade, General Brigadier EP Germán Gonzales Doimi.


These ships, who wore a dark green camouflage, arrived in Peru - as reported in defensa.com - aboard an Antonov An-124 Ruslan, in two batches: the first, on 27 November and the second on December 4. After his arrival, due process of assembly and test flights and acceptance by technical personnel of Rosoboronexport and Aviation Brigade began. At least 4 of them participated in the ceremony for the 190th Anniversary of the Battle of Ayacucho and Day of the Army of Peru on December 9.

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The country signed in December 2013 a contract with Rosoboronexport to supply 24 Combat Helicopters and Transport Mi-171Sh-P Hip H for about $ 528 million for Army Aviation Brigade. The contract stipulated that August would be delivered in late 2014 and another 16 in 2015. The Programme of Industrial and Social Compensation (Offset), valued at $ 180 million includes, among others, the Maintenance Center Helicopters - to be built in the area of San Camilo in the vicinity of PAF Base La Joya (Arequipa) - and Flight Simulator and the Co Parts and Ammunition Manufacturing Plant. The Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) plans to acquire another 8 Mi-171Sh-P (out of 16) for the Air Force of Peru and later 5 for the Navy. If realized these acquisitions (representing an investment of around $ 500 million) the Armed Forces of Peru dispondrían -sumando 6 Mi-171Sh acquired in 2010 - a fleet of 45 devices.

The Mi-171Sh Hip H-P has a length of 18.4 m, a height of 4.7 m. and a rotor diameter of 21.3 m. At the request of the Army of Peru will be equipped with 2 motors VK-2500-3 2,700 HP (20% more powerful than TV-3-117BM). The cruising speed is 215 km / h, the range of 580 km and service ceiling of 4,800 m. at full load. The Mi-171Sh-P feature-art avionics and night vision goggles. Its design enables them to carry 36 troops or 4,000 kilos of cargo. The armament comprises supplying a large number of PKM 7.62 x 54R, cannon pods UPK-23-250 of 23 mm. S-8KOM rockets and 80 mm, illumination flares and 26mm.

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