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in case you didn't know Potential ‘harm’ to economy now a factor in all Canada defense competitions
In a major policy shift, Canada will now determine the winning firms for its defense equipment projects not only based on the benefits a company can provide but also the “harm” individual corporations have on the Canadian economy.

The change, announced Tuesday with the launch of a (CAN) $19 billion project (U.S. $14 billion) to buy 88 next generation fighter jets, is clearly aimed at
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against Canada’s largest aerospace firm, Bombardier.

But the criteria will apply to all future defense procurements, Canadian government officials said Tuesday.

“This new policy clearly demonstrates that we are standing up for Canadian interests,” said Navdeep Bains, the minister of innovation, science and economic development.

“If there’s an impact on Canadian jobs you will be at a distinct disadvantage,” he said of firms who want to bid on military equipment projects.

In April, Boeing asked the U.S. Commerce Department to investigate Bombardier, claiming that Canadian government subsidies for that Quebec-based firm allow it to sell its C-Series passenger aircraft in the U.S. at cut-rate prices. As a result, the Trump administration
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aircraft sold in the U.S.

In retaliation for Boeing’s actions,
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in a deal that would have been worth $5.23 billion.

The announcement of the new procurement policy further ups the ante against Boeing, but government officials say it will send a strong message to countries as well that Canada will not idly stand by and accept unfair trade barriers.

Canada plans to spend billions of dollars in the coming years on new aerial refuelling tankers, unmanned aerial vehicles and satellites. Boeing is interested in all of those programs.

Canada’s procurement minister Carla Qualtrough said all companies are welcome to bid on the upcoming fighter jet program. Proposals will be requested in 2019 and a winner selected in 2022. Eighty-eight fighter jets will be purchased, she added.

Delivery of the first planes are expected in 2025.

But Qualtrough noted that the new policy provides for the examination of whether a bidder has been “responsible for harming Canada’s economic interests.”

Although she didn’t name Boeing specifically, the minister pointed out that such an evaluation would be based on a company’s actions at the time bids are examined. That would give Boeing a chance to drop its trade complaint against Bombardier, government officials say.

Boeing said Tuesday it will examine what is being called the “Boeing clause.”

“We will review the future fighter capability project requirements for 88 jets and make a decision at the appropriate time,” company spokesman Scott Day said.

He noted that Boeing is the largest non-Canadian aerospace manufacturer in Canada and has around 2,000 employees in the country.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has accused Boeing to trying to eliminate tens of thousands of aerospace jobs at Bombardier through its efforts. “As a government they should not expect us to buy planes off them if they are attacking our industry,” he said on Sept. 17.

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan and Bains said Tuesday that Canada will only deal with a “trusted partner” on the new fighter jets. Sajjan had previously said Boeing is no longer considered a trusted partner by Canada.

Boeing officials have insisted that its trade actions against Bombardier’s civilian aircraft should not be tied to defense procurements.

Instead of buying 18 Super Hornets as a stop-gap measure until the new fighters arrive, the Canadian government announced Tuesday it would purchase used F-18s from Australia.
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Jura The idiot

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Yesterday at 12:13 PM
Jura said:
Saturday at 5:58 PMno posts here so Canada opts out of Super Hornet buy

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now USNI News: Canada Seeking 88 New Fighters to Replace Aging CF-18s; Will Buy Surplus Australian F-18 Hornets in Interim
The Canadian government will start a new competition to buy 88 fighters to replace the aging fleet of Royal Canadian Air Force CF-18 Hornets, Ottawa announced on Tuesday.

“Canada will begin by establishing a list of suppliers as a first step in this procurement. The list will be comprised of foreign governments and fighter aircraft manufacturers that have demonstrated their ability to meet Canada’s needs,” read the Tuesday statement.
“Proposals will be rigorously assessed on elements of cost, technical requirements and economic benefits. Our government feels it is important to do business with trusted partners. As such, the evaluation of bids will also include an assessment of bidders’ impact on Canada’s economic interests.”

The government is set to issue a formal bid in 2019, with a contract award planned for 2022 and delivery of the first aircraft planned for 2025. Ottawa could spend up to $15 billion for the aircraft,
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During the search for a new fighter, the government is set to buy older F-18 Hornets from Australia,
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. The Canadians would buy 18 of the Royal Australian Air Force F-18s for about $388 million.

The new competition follows two politically charged dust-ups between the government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and American defense companies Boeing and Lockheed Martin.

One of Trudeau’s campaign promises during his run for office in 2015 was to pull Canada out of the international partnership to purchase 65 Lockheed Martin-built F-35A Lighting II Joint Strike Fighters. Once elected, Trudeau ended participation in the program, saying the JSF “does not work and is far from working.”

Canada was then set to purchase a number of Boeing F-18E/F Super Hornet strike fighters. In mid-September, the State Department notified Congress of
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. However, those plans were scrapped following a complicated U.S.-Canada trade dispute between Boeing’s commercial arm and the Canadian aerospace company Bombardier.

In Tuesday’s announcement, Carla Qualtrough, public works and procurement minister, made a thinly veiled reference to Boeing in a statement, saying “bidders responsible for harming Canada’s economic interests will be at a distinct disadvantage.”
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Jura The idiot

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Yesterday at 9:28 AM
Jura said:
in case you didn't know Potential ‘harm’ to economy now a factor in all Canada defense competitions
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Canada announces open fighter competition with caveats
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Canada will hold an open competition to replace its aging CF-18 fighter fleet, but sent a firm warning to any company who might try to hurt Canadian business.

That admonition appeared as a not-so-veiled threat toward Boeing, whose commercial arm launched a spat with Bombardier by accusing the Canadian manufacturer of dumping the CSeries on the market.

The Royal Canadian Air Force will purchase 88 advanced fighters, with a request for proposals expected in spring of 2019 and a decision by 2022, defence officials announced this week. The replacement could begin as early as 2025. Any company is welcome to bid, though officials emphasized a Canada-first policy that would continue with future procurements. Canada’s minister of innovation, science and technology repeated that the government believes Boeing’s position in the ongoing trade dispute is without merit.

“With respect to the new policy today, anyone can apply. Make no mistake, it’s an open and transparent process,” Navdeep Bains says. “But we’ve been very clear with this new policy. If there’s economic harm to Canada, if there’s an impact on Canadian jobs, if there’s an impact to some of the key sectors of the Canadian economy, you will be at a distinct disadvantage.”

Despite that language, Canada dangled both a carrot and stick in the fighter announcement, saying the government would not assess the economic impact of each bid until late 2019 or 2020. That could give Boeing enough time to stay in the competition.

“We’re hoping this policy incentivises all suppliers to behave in such a way that they won’t be at a disadvantage at the time of assessment,” says Carla Qualtrough, Canada’s minister of procurement.

Canada did not shoot down Boeing in the long-term recapitalisation, but will let the US manufacturer’s offer of 18 F/A-18E/F models expire. Instead, the RCAF will pursue the sale of used Boeing F/A-18A/B Hornets and spare parts from the Royal Australian Air Force. The government has not cemented the purchase, with officials saying the government will respond to the letter of agreement. The government expects first deliveries in 2019 with the last of the used aircraft arriving around 2021, though the date is dependent on when the RAAF’s F/A-18 fleet is replaced by Lockheed Martin F-35s.
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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CF18 is basically a F18A/B model with a few changes so though the used deal they are basically picking up a few more CF18 units. The Boeing offer was for Super Hornets so all this does is buy a short period of time. where the Super Hornets might have lasted Decades these are only going to hold them out for maybe the 2020's.
 
Equation

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
CF18 is basically a F18A/B model with a few changes so though the used deal they are basically picking up a few more CF18 units. The Boeing offer was for Super Hornets so all this does is buy a short period of time. where the Super Hornets might have lasted Decades these are only going to hold them out for maybe the 2020's.
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Perhaps the Canadian fighter pilots really love their CF18 and would like more of it. The Super Hornets would last them longer of course, but the price is something they're not ready to pay for.
 
Air Force Brat

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PiSigma said:
Can be from anywhere if the economics work... Of course don't expect sukois or MIGs
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Oh I Don't know? Justin leans left and he's cheap! And the Texas Rangers are just across his Southern Border, he knows the Trumpster would strap on that Calvary model P and ride North. So I can see him picking up some used Mug 29's from Putin?
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Equation said:
Perhaps the Canadian fighter pilots really love their CF18 and would like more of it. The Super Hornets would last them longer of course, but the price is something they're not ready to pay for.
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It's more likely this was a logistics move, to keep the established training and spare parts until they feel ready to move to the next big fleet. Other than name Super hornets are a totally new Airframe. Basically buying Super Hornets would pin them to Super Hornets.
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Is there any chance the Royal Canadian Air Force buys the Eurofighter Typhoon or is it cost too much?o_O
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Typhoon has been flirted with, Same for the Rafale and Gripen. basically all the Euro canards are on the table.

F35 has something like 144 contracts to Canadian makers and firms with Lockheed Martin not being Boeing and of course F35 being in US use so Don't take it off the list. I know some will point to the sticker price but it's not that much higher then the Typhoon or Gripen or Rafale

Gripen's pedigree is Cold weather, Although single Engine it was designed for repair at facilities that are virtually non existent. Basically it was designed for a National Air force with limited budget or under invasion. This For the Low budget of the Canadian Forces would be a major selling point. although the initial unit cost is actually in the same neighborhood as the Rafale.

Rafale the first of the twin engine Euro canards, The two engines give it an advantage in redundancy compared to the Gripen and Lightning. There are questions of cold weather and American systems compatibility, Dassault however had offered full tech transfer. Canada seems to want to keep twin engines which sides to the Rafale, Typhoon and Super bugs.

Typhoon Another twin engine Euro canard, good Radar and Sensors. proven in cold high altitudes and then there is the MBDA Meteor missile system. Price wise a rough equal to the Lightning.

And Of course the Super Hornet, or rather the Advanced Super Hornet. Boeing got stung not burned remember that the Former Australian F18A/B will still be cycled through Boeing.
 
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