BRICS & New World Order Thread

Africablack

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Some random thoughts on BRICS+

(1) Middle East or West Asia is entering a long period of peace and stability
There is less chance of any proxy wars in that region going forward. That is positive for China energy security as well as market access.

(2) Africa continues to enjoy peace and development
If ECOWAS were intervening the Niger situation, Nigeria can forget about joining BRICS+. Africa can finally enjoy enduring peace for its economic development. I would say Africa will become a top-tier market prospect for China products and services.

(3) Latin America becomes a surprising RMB playground
Given the recent news on Brazil accepting RMB guarantee for Argentina trade, Latin America is fast becoming a middle-income continent that is RMB friendly. That will have a hallo effect on BRICS+.

(4) Indonesia and RCEP
It is somewhat surprising that Indonesia did not make the cut. I guess no BRICS country went out of its way to pitch for Indonesia, which in many ways is more of a competitor to India and Brazil than complimentary.

(5) G7
G7 summit is losing more lust vis-a-via BRICS+ summit. BRICS+ becomes more mainstream and majority than G7 in terms of representation and popularity. The kicker is that G7 no longer enjoys industrial and technological dominance in comparison to BRICS+.

(6) What BRICS+ means to China
China just scored a quiet and resounding victory. Oil, gas, iron ores, minerals, young and growing markets, global representation. When Indonesia, Nigeria, Mexico and Algeria join BRICS+ in Russia 2024, BRICS+ will become a more actionable united nations. Japan and Korea will be more isolated. Europe will become less relevant. US sanctions will have less teeth. With RECP, SCO and BRICS+, Xi will be ready to finish his business ......
If BRICS wants to position itself as anti-west then that strategy is doomed to fail. Saying you don't want Nigeria because of ECOWAS intervention in Mali is playing into the west's narrative that BRICS is just an anti democratic coalition. BRICS can't be foolish enough to try to isolate the largest economy in Africa because of Niger, a poor landlocked country that can't even offer anything.
 

4Runner

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If BRICS wants to position itself as anti-west then that strategy is doomed to fail. Saying you don't want Nigeria because of ECOWAS intervention in Mali is playing into the west's narrative that BRICS is just an anti democratic coalition. BRICS can't be foolish enough to try to isolate the largest economy in Africa because of Niger, a poor landlocked country that can't even offer anything.
I have not implied any anti-west whatsoever from a China angle. There is no such thing in China as anti-west. There is only anti-China from the west.

China have not formed any anti-west group or bloc. SCO was originally for anti-terrorism in Central Asia. RCEP is a natural evolution of China+ASEAN free trade agreement. BRICS was originally a concept of major emerging markets.

The collective west still is the largest customer of Chinese products and services.

What BRCIS+ means to China vis-a-vis the West is that the latter will have less weapons of economic blackmail against the former.

With regard to Africa, China always value relationship with Africa as a whole. But if any African country initiate any military intervention on behalf of western interests, I don't think majority of BRICS+ would welcome that. Even if China was willing to compromise, countries like Russia and Iran would not.

So what you are alluding to is not a China issue. Rather, it is a BRICS+ issue that any prospective country needs to evaluate if it really wants to join BRICS+.
 

Michaelsinodef

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If BRICS wants to position itself as anti-west then that strategy is doomed to fail. Saying you don't want Nigeria because of ECOWAS intervention in Mali is playing into the west's narrative that BRICS is just an anti democratic coalition. BRICS can't be foolish enough to try to isolate the largest economy in Africa because of Niger, a poor landlocked country that can't even offer anything.
It's only really Russia (and well, in future likely also Iran) that really are 'anti-west'.

All the other countries (maybe minus India) wants to 'de-risk' from the west (or well, more like from the dollar, and this is likely the position most of the new members hold as well).

Although an argument can be made that de-risking from the west/the dollar is a move/action that is 'anti-west'.

As for the situation around Nigeria, Niger and ECOWAS - I don't think we know or can confidently assert the opinion of BRICS on it, nor about why/why not Nigeria should get membership.
 
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Africablack

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I have not implied any anti-west whatsoever from a China angle. There is no such thing in China as anti-west. There is only anti-China from the west.

China have not formed any anti-west group or bloc. SCO was originally for anti-terrorism in Central Asia. RCEP is a natural evolution of China+ASEAN free trade agreement. BRICS was originally a concept of major emerging markets.

The collective west still is the largest customer of Chinese products and services.

What BRCIS+ means to China vis-a-vis the West is that the latter will have less weapons of economic blackmail against the former.

With regard to Africa, China always value relationship with Africa as a whole. But if any African country initiate any military intervention on behalf of western interests, I don't think majority of BRICS+ would welcome that. Even if China was willing to compromise, countries like Russia and Iran would not.

So what you are alluding to is not a China issue. Rather, it is a BRICS+ issue that any prospective country needs to evaluate if it really wants to join BRICS+.
There's no intervention on behalf of western interests, this has been discussed here over and over again. Nigeria has it's own interests, it's not helpful to look at black Africa as some mindless place where everything is controlled by others, Nigeria is west Africa's powerhouse and has intervened before so there's no talk of "western interests".
 

Abominable

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If BRICS wants to position itself as anti-west then that strategy is doomed to fail. Saying you don't want Nigeria because of ECOWAS intervention in Mali is playing into the west's narrative that BRICS is just an anti democratic coalition. BRICS can't be foolish enough to try to isolate the largest economy in Africa because of Niger, a poor landlocked country that can't even offer anything.
Right, because being pro-west and "democratic" has worked so well for African countries.
 

4Runner

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The closing speech written by Pres. Xi given by another person on his behalf (what's the rationale for this?)
I think that was a speech for the BRICS Business Forum on the first day. Xi's speech was read out by the Commerce Minister. I don't have any idea or speculation on that. Maybe he was not feeling well. Xi has accomplished 2 major goals in this trip: (1) state visit to SA; and (2) BRICS expansion. If I really want to guess, negotiation over who gets in really took a toll on his personal health ??? :cool:
 

In4ser

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It's obvious who hold the most influence, Gosh!!!! even South Africa (Ethiopia) and Brazil (Argentina) got their respective buddies inside BRICS....lol

Since 0 precede 1 then in Indian Vedic system they're number 1.

China: 3 (Saudi Arabia, UAE and Egypt)

Russia: 1 ( Iran)

South Africa: 1 (Ethiopia)

Brazil: 1 (Argentina)

India: ZERO.
I think India might have pushed for UAE which is why they did commodities trades in useless rupees.
 
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