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zhangjim

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Why do you make up lies about Chinese gov time and time again?
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This is actually my memory error.Here is the history of cultural relics trading from 1950 to 1970. At that time, exporting cultural relics was a government act. But after entering the 1980s, folk smuggling began to become very serious.
 

zhangjim

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What the hell are you talking about? What does this shady Dutch collector has to do with South Koreans? Is the Dutch government involved in smuggling relics? He could have very well been the one to pay for the theft. There is no evidence of some imaginary art dealer paying for the theft or government connection in this case. Of course I can see why you get easily scammed by these rumors given your history.
I just want to explain that it is very difficult to solve the cultural relics smuggling case.
There are too many inexplicable reasons to hinder the return process of cultural relics.As the example I cited, even if there is a clear testimony pointing to a specific Korean buyer, there is no possibility of solving the case at all under the influence of nationalism and the identity and status of the person involved.

If the Dutch buyer strictly kept secret, it would be difficult for others to prove that he bought stolen goods.

As for the example I gave in the last part, I really should check it again, not write it by memory.
You have to understand that for a long time in the past, our country had an aversion to "old things", so the importance of these artifacts was very low.That's why there was a practice of exporting "less valuable" artifacts to the outside world, but of course this practice has now been stopped.
Another brief history of the export of cultural relics:
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coolgod

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This is actually my memory error.Here is the history of cultural relics trading from 1950 to 1970. At that time, exporting cultural relics was a government act. But after entering the 1980s, folk smuggling began to become very serious.
Your source is Zhihu? That's even less trustworthy than your posts. :)
The government exported some duplicate relics and other artifacts which weren't deemed very high cultural value to earn foreign exchange. This is totally different than artifacts like that buddha, don't muddy the water. Next time please try harder before smearing China here.
 

Sardaukar20

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I won't know what exactly is China's plan. But with all this rhetorics, there has to be some kind of dramatic response that China is planning to do.

If China is planning to go military. What I can think of is maybe the PLAAF and the PLAN doing patrols in the areas around the island of Taiwan first. With a plan to fly over Taiwan itself if needed. The primary objective is to deter, or if failing so, intercept Pelosi's incoming flight. Nevertheless, the Taiwanese and the US could scramble planes and naval vessels to create a safe corridor for Pelosi's plane to fly through. But this will create a situation of military confrontation with China. When that happens, Pelosi's plane should not fly in. She is a VIP after all. A fiery death is not something she would want to risk.

The US and the DPP at this point could back down, or escalate. If they choose escalation. Taiwan could scramble more jets and naval vessels. While the US could bring in the more military assets into the area, including the 7th fleet. China would then have to respond with even bigger military deployments. That would create a Cuban missile crisis type scenario. But ultimately, would the US military go that far just to please Pelosi's political stunt?

Is the US ready to go to WW3 just for a political stunt? Or would the US risk China calling it's bluff over it's supposed commitment to defend Taiwan? There is just too much at stake for the US over just a political stunt. I do hope that the Pentagon can see this huge risk and do it's part to stop Pelosi's madness.
 

Sleepyjam

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I just want to explain that it is very difficult to solve the cultural relics smuggling case.
There are too many inexplicable reasons to hinder the return process of cultural relics.As the example I cited, even if there is a clear testimony pointing to a specific Korean buyer, there is no possibility of solving the case at all under the influence of nationalism and the identity and status of the person involved.

If the Dutch buyer strictly kept secret, it would be difficult for others to prove that he bought stolen goods.
He obviously didn’t keep secret, which has nothing to do with what you said.
 

Sleepyjam

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This is actually my memory error.Here is the history of cultural relics trading from 1950 to 1970. At that time, exporting cultural relics was a government act. But after entering the 1980s, folk smuggling began to become very serious.
Yeah you memory isn’t that great and have a tendency to generalize. It‘s very specific in what can and can’t be exported. From your source though I have no way of validating the source.
同一年文物局制定《文物出口鉴定标准》,按照不同文物的情况确定1911、1795(乾隆六十年)两条界线。对于那些重复和价值一般的文物可以有组织、有计划地作特许出口,为国家争取外汇。文化部和对外贸易部又于1960年7月12日印发了《文物出口鉴定标准的几点意见》,规定对于有计划组织出口的—般文物,划定两个不同的年限:—部分以1795年为限,凡1795年(限清代乾隆六十年为限)以前的一律不准出口;—部分以1911年为限(即清代宣统三年辛亥以前为限),凡1911年以前的一律禁止出口。在以上两个年限以后的文物,根据文物本身所具有的科学、历史、艺术价值及存量多少来确定是否可以出口。要求各口岸在掌握鉴定标准、控制宽严尺度时,务必大体相近基本相同。
In the same year, the Cultural Heritage Bureau formulated the Standards for the Appraisal of Cultural Relics Export, which determined two boundaries of 1911 and 1795 (60 years of Qianlong) according to the situation of different cultural relics. Those cultural repetitive and of average value can be exported in an organized and planned way to obtain foreign exchange for the country. The Ministry of Culture and the Ministry of Foreign Trade also issued the "Several Opinions on the Export Appraisal Standards of Cultural Relics" on July 12, 1960, stipulating that there are two different years for the planned and organized export of cultural relics: - partly limited to 1795, and all those before 1795 (limited to the 60th year of Qianlong in the Qing Dynasty) are not allowed to be exported; - Partly limited to 1911 (i.e., before Xinhai, the third year of Xuantong in the Qing Dynasty), and the export shall be prohibited. Cultural relics after the above two years can be exported according to the scientific, historical, artistic value and stock of the cultural relics themselves. All ports are required to be basically similar when mastering the appraisal standards and controlling the width and strict scale.
 
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