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Some Australian pictures at RIMPAC 2014, from my
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Commander of the HMAS Success (right) give plaque to the Captain of the USS Chafee (left){/b]

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Personnel from USS Spruance and HMAS Success pose beofre a basketball game

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Personnel from USS Spruance and HMAS Success play a basketball game

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Personnel from HMAS Success and USS Ronald Reagan pose before a soccer game

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Personnel from HMAS Success and USS Ronald Reagan play in a soccer game

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Sailors man the rails of HMAS Success while passing the USS Missouri museum ship

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Australian helicopter outside of HMAS Success hanger

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HMAS Success, OR 304, underway

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HMAS Success, OR 304, coming into at Perl HArbor

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Australian Collins class submarine arrives at Pearl HArbor
 
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SouthernSky

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I'm not particularly sure which forum to put this in but for now here it will be.

First World War wreck AE2 recorded and preserved in the Sea of Marmara

Published on 03 July 2014 by LEUT Lauren Rago (author), Defence Science and Technology Organisation (photographer)

Location(s): Sea of Marmara, Turkey

More than 99 years after it was scuttled in the First World War, a project to record, preserve and tell the story of the wreck of Australian submarine AE2, laying at the bottom of Turkey’s Sea of Marmara, is underway.

AE2 is one of the last untouched Gallipoli battlefield sites, and with the dedicated work of a team of Australian submariners, scientists from the Defence Science and Technology Organisation and US Remotely Operated Vehicle designers, SeaBotix, the submarine will be protected and preserved on the sea floor for many years to come.

The Defence Science and Technology Organisation has developed new and novel solutions to support the current expedition; including the high-definition camera and sophisticated lighting system.

The camera inspected the wreck and successfully captured its entire length, including her forward and aft hydroplanes, rudder and tops of her propellers.

A protection system has also been installed around the wreck to control corrosion and a marker buoy to protect it from shipping traffic, anchors and fishing nets.

Named ‘Silent ANZAC,' the project is a joint Australian and Turkish initiative, led by a team from the AE2 Commemorative Foundation and Submarine Institute of Australia.

The team comprises 16 Australians, 19 Turks and two Americans including scientists, divers, academics, maritime archaeologists, film makers, submariners and historians.

Project leader and Chair of the Foundation, Rear Admiral Peter Briggs AO CSC (Ret’d), said the submarine is in amazingly good condition.

"We can see the original paint, signalman's sand shoes - plimsolls - still stowed in the flag locker in the conning tower along with the flags and what we believe was the battle ensign used by the Submarine’s Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Commander, Henry ‘Dacre’ Stoker, 99 years ago,” he said.

“The Turkish Government will ensure ongoing maintenance of the buoy laid over AE2 – to protect her from further damage – acknowledging the importance of preserving this shared piece of Turkey's and Australia’s maritime military heritage.”

Rear Admiral Briggs said one of the most significant discoveries was a portable Wireless Telegraph pole and antenna wire, the existence of which had long been the subject of discussion of military historians.

“It is most likely that it was this telegraph which transmitted the message to Army headquarters that AE2 had torpedoed an Ottoman gunboat at Çanakkale,” he said.

2014 is an important year for the Royal Australian Navy as the organisation recently celebrated the centenary of the nation’s first Submarine Service, established in May 1914 with the arrival AE1 and AE2.

Commander of the Navy’s modern day Submarine Force, Captain Mark Potter, said the first generation submarines served with distinction in the First World War.

“The nation’s early submariners were brave pioneers who fought valiantly, and this spirit of bravery and adventure set the tenor for today’s Navy submarine force.

“The bravery and skills of the men who crewed these vessels created a lasting legacy for all later submariners.

“AE1 and AE2 made a significant contribution to naval history and are an important element of the ANZAC heritage,” Captain Potter said.

On the morning of the ANZAC landings, 25 April 1915, AE2 became the first Allied submarine to penetrate the defences of the Dardanelle Strait and ‘run amok’ in the Sea of Marmara.

The submarine effectively disrupted Turkish sea lines of communication, influencing the course of the military campaign.

On 30 April 1915, AE2 was attacked with gunfire from Ottoman torpedo boat Sultanhisar and scuttled by her commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Stoker. All of AE2’s crew were rescued by the Sultanhisar as the submarine slid silently to the sea floor.

Up to the time of her loss, AE2 had logged some 35,000 nautical miles, mostly under war conditions.

The wreck of AE2 was discovered in 73 meters of water in the Sea of Marmara in 1998 by Turkish maritime historian Selçuk Kolay OAM.

The Silent ANZAC project is an initiative of the Anzac Centenary Program 2014-2018, funded by the Australian Government Department of Veterans’ Affairs in partnership with the Turkish Government Ministry of Culture and Tourism and the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Video of dive on HMAS AE2.

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Imagery of dive on HMAS AE2.

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Further info on HMAS AE2.

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This has come at a wonderful time as the Royal Australian Navy celebrates 100 years of the silent service.
 

SouthernSky

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A short video of the Australian defence minister getting a recent guided tour of Nuship Canberra.

[video]http://video.defence.gov.au?mediaId=66918c56-1d85-4800-afcc-bc29920528bc[/video]
 

SouthernSky

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Concerns About Future Frigates:
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There's certaintly reason for concern on a number of levels Jura. At the time funding will be required for replacement of the ANZAC frigates a number of other major platform aquisitions will also be taking place, eg F-35 and Collins SSG. At this stage though funding for development of the program continues as evidenced in this media realease I posted earlier in the thread from the Minister of Defence.

Bringing forward work on future frigates

The Government has also agreed to bring forward preliminary design work to ensure Australia maintains the necessary capabilities to retain the option of building the future frigate in Australia. This work will focus on continued production of the current AWD hull, suitably adapted and utilising capabilities from the cutting-edge Australian companies CEA Technologies Australia and SAAB Combat Systems. Further decisions on the future frigate will be taken in the context of the 2015 Defence White Paper.

The Government has committed $78.2 million to bring forward preliminary engineering and design work necessary to keep open the option of building the future frigate in Australia. In parallel, the Government is reviewing Australia’s shipbuilding requirements, capabilities and capacities in order to inform a long-term strategic naval plan that provides the ADF with leading-edge capabilities and Australian taxpayers with value for money.

“Naval shipbuilders and Unions must understand that naval shipbuilding in Australia is at a critical crossroads. Demonstrating that the AWD Program is able to provide value for money will be a crucial test for the Australian shipbuilding industry. No responsible Government could consider providing further work to an industry that is performing so poorly,” Senator Johnston said.

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I am glad that the need for a suitably sized hull for the frigate replacement seems to have been recognised though, something in the order of 6000 tons to allow for future growth. I suspect the 'built for but not with' approach may well be adopted again for the frigates with systems added through their liftime. The ANZACS after their ASMD upgrades are becoming a capable platform, but are just to small for the job they're now expected to do.

I suspect commanality in platforms, which is currently in vogue with defence forces around the world, will play it's part in the final decision and we may well end up with an F105 hull derivitive with CEAFAR fitted. Time will tell though.
 

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There's certaintly reason for concern on a number of levels Jura. At the time funding will be required for replacement of the ANZAC frigates a number of other major platform aquisitions will also be taking place, eg F-35 and Collins SSG. At this stage though funding for development of the program continues as evidenced in this media realease I posted earlier in the thread from the Minister of Defence.



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I am glad that the need for a suitably sized hull for the frigate replacement seems to have been recognised though, something in the order of 6000 tons to allow for future growth. I suspect the 'built for but not with' approach may well be adopted again for the frigates with systems added through their liftime. The ANZACS after their ASMD upgrades are becoming a capable platform, but are just to small for the job they're now expected to do.

I suspect commanality in platforms, which is currently in vogue with defence forces around the world, will play it's part in the final decision and we may well end up with an F105 hull derivitive with CEAFAR fitted. Time will tell though.

Australia can always go for the Akizuki class.
With Abe in town I bet you guys can ask for a two for one sales discount. ;)
 
Australia can always go for the Akizuki class.
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SamuraiBlue, this reminded me of asking about the status of the 25DD ("the continuation of 19DD, two ships planned") again :) I'm guessing this page:
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didn't change since FORBIN told me about it several months ago.

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it looks like an off-topic question, but I'm asking here since 25DD should be cheaper than 19DD, so it's more likely to be exported (?)
 
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SamuraiBlue

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SamuraiBlue, this reminded me of asking about the status of the 25DD ("the continuation of 19DD, two ships planned") again :) I'm guessing this page:
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didn't change since FORBIN told me about it several months ago.

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it looks like an off-topic question, but I'm asking here since 25DD should be cheaper than 19DD, so it's more likely to be exported (?)

I don't think it had changed. It states within the page that the lead ship will would be commissioned in FY2018. Taking into account that the Akizuki-class only took three years from laying down steel to commissioning I believe JMSDF(Mitsubishi Heavy) will not start building her till next year.
As for being less expensive, that is because it has less air defense capabilities with only 16 cells being primed to become a sub hunter/killer.
 
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