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Lethe

Captain
New Zealand only has one active frigate it's other frigate is under going maintenance.

They also have two offshore patrol boats but they are laid up due to man power shortages

So basically New Zealand has sent the totally of it's active naval power out to follow the PLAN

In the lead up to what became the ANZAC-class frigates for Australia and New Zealand, my understanding is that RNZN wanted four frigates, thought they could get by with three if they really had to, and ended up with two. RNZN is now contemplating their eventual replacements, and having a PLAN task force sail by is probably quite useful for RNZN in pressing the case for acquiring more than two frigates this time around. The British Type 31 design has been floated as one possible candidate.
 

zyklon

Junior Member
Registered Member
I only tangentially followed what can only be described as a total freak out by the Australians, but what I have seen of the responses range from the ridiculous to the downright pathetic.

They have been needlessly keen in going out of their way to needle and provoke China in the SCS and Taiwan Straits for little more reason than because they can and want to in order to score points domestically and abroad, and now a tiny PLAN flotilla does some gunnery practice in international waters hundreds of miles away from their coast and they are outraged and hysterically alarmed. Have a tiny bit of chill mate and stop acting like a total pansy why don’t you? It’s embarrassing.

The thing is most Australians, like most Americans, have absolutely no idea that their country's naval forces have been snooping around and instigating drama thousands of miles away from home in China's "maritime backyard."

Obviously, some Australians will put two and two together, and realize that China is effectively reciprocating in kind.

Unfortunately, one should fully expect most Australians to mistake the matter for unprovoked aggression because they tend to have no idea what their own government and military have been up to.

If you are so desperately afraid of the big bad panda bear coming to your house to pay you a return visit, why did you keep going to shit in front of his house and in his garden in the first place?

Mistaking one's self to be invincible or invulnerable tends to be a sign of immaturity, and Australia is indeed rather young by the standards of nations and civilizations.

However, this current situation does afford Beijing a couple of new openings:

1. Beijing call now basically tell Canberra: "Tune it down in our backyard, and we'll reciprocate in kind." Canberra isn't ready for such a de-escalation, yet, but it benefits Beijing to have an extra lever to pull moving forward.

2. The RAN and RAAF are going to have to devote resources to shadowing and surveiling future "visiting PLAN delegations." Considering the relative size of the RAN, that will mean fewer hulls for other missions, especially if the PLAN plans to "say hello" regularly.

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The funny thing is that there are 144 VLS cells between 107 Zunyi and 568 Hengyang, while the entire RAN has a grand total of 200 VLS cells divided between three Hobart DDGs with 48 VLS cells each and seven Anzac FFGs with 8 VLS cells each.

Therefore, perhaps it will be right or maybe even wise for the Australian authorities to fear the "big bad panda bear" given the balance of power.

It's a joint surveillance effort. HMAS Arunta was shadowing the group in an earlier phase.

Looks like they are going to circumnavigate the continent. Will be interesting to see how close they pass by HMAS Stirling (a facility, not a ship) on the south-west coast HMAS Stirling is currently undergoing upgrades to host US, UK and (eventually, notionally) Australian nuclear submarines, so PLAN may well pop around and say hello.

EDIT: USS Minnesota SSN-783 is
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at HMAS Stirling as we speak.

The PLAN obviously needs to deploy a network of sensors in waters near HMAS Stirling, and that can be accomplished more discreetly with submarines. Though surface vessels tend to be a part of the process too.

Makes you wonder if there's a Type 093 of some variety accompanying the 107 Zunyi led task force, or otherwise headed towards HMAS Stirling as the surface vessels draw the mainstay of RAN's attention.
 

siegecrossbow

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The thing is most Australians, like most Americans, have absolutely no idea that their country's naval forces have been snooping around and instigating drama thousands of miles away from home in China's "maritime backyard."

Obviously, some Australians will put two and two together, and realize that China is effectively reciprocating in kind.

Unfortunately, one should fully expect most Australians to mistake the matter for unprovoked aggression because they tend to have no idea what their own government and military have been up to.



Mistaking one's self to be invincible or invulnerable tends to be a sign of immaturity, and Australia is indeed rather young by the standards of nations and civilizations.

However, this current situation does afford Beijing a couple of new openings:

1. Beijing call now basically tell Canberra: "Tune it down in our backyard, and we'll reciprocate in kind." Canberra isn't ready for such a de-escalation, yet, but it benefits Beijing to have an extra lever to pull moving forward.

2. The RAN and RAAF are going to have to devote resources to shadowing and surveiling future "visiting PLAN delegations." Considering the relative size of the RAN, that will mean fewer hulls for other missions, especially if the PLAN plans to "say hello" regularly.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The funny thing is that there are 144 VLS cells between 107 Zunyi and 568 Hengyang, while the entire RAN has a grand total of 200 VLS cells divided between three Hobart DDGs with 48 VLS cells each and seven Anzac FFGs with 8 VLS cells each.

Therefore, perhaps it will be right or maybe even wise for the Australian authorities to fear the "big bad panda bear" given the balance of power.



The PLAN obviously needs to deploy a network of sensors in waters near HMAS Stirling, and that can be accomplished more discreetly with submarines. Though surface vessels tend to be a part of the process too.

Makes you wonder if there's a Type 093 of some variety accompanying the 107 Zunyi led task force, or otherwise headed towards HMAS Stirling as the surface vessels draw the mainstay of RAN's attention.

You are forgetting that just HMAS Stirling has more fire extinguishers and water proof doors than all of PLAN combined. CHECK MATE Tankie!
 

00CuriousObserver

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Registered Member
Here's an idea: a base in East Timor.

We could station a couple of 052Ds—or even 054As—there, and that would already put considerable pressure on the Australians. It would also complicate any U.S. operations out of Darwin.

Politically, East Timor would be eager for this, given its need for defense and its close relationship with the PRC.

I consider East Timor a likely candidate for the PLA's overseas expansion, along with a potential presence in the Solomon Islands region in the Pacific—although that might be further down the road.
 
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