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Lethe

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Another update on 107 group's progress. They're looping around bottom of South Australia now.

They weird thing is it's New Zealand navy that has ships shadowing them not RAN. I guess RAN didn't envision this scenario could happen and didn't have any assets available.

It's a joint surveillance effort. HMAS Arunta was shadowing the group in an earlier phase.

Looks like they are going to circumnavigate the continent. Will be interesting to see how close they pass by HMAS Stirling (a facility, not a ship) on the south-west coast. HMAS Stirling is currently undergoing upgrades to host US, UK and (eventually, notionally) Australian nuclear submarines, so PLAN may well pop around and say hello.

EDIT: USS Minnesota SSN-783 is
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at HMAS Stirling as we speak.
 

Lethe

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A former Chief of the Australian Defence Force (1998-2002), retired Admiral Chris Barrie, has
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on the idea that China's transit or live fire exercises in the Tasman Sea were unprecedented in their conduct or notification practices. I quote:

These live fire exercises were conducted on the high seas ... it's perfectly legitimate behaviour under international law. It's something that we ourselves do and I've done... frankly, it's almost none of our business provided it's conducted on the high seas.

What about when there are flights going over the area?

Well this happens all the time. In my case I've done these live fire drills at sea where air routes are over the top. What we do is use our sensors to make sure there are no aircraft in the vicinity that we can detect, and we use the aviation guard frequency to warn off any aircraft that we may not have detected.

Notably, PLAN broadcasting on guard frequency is how the first airliner-in-transit was alerted to these exercises, passing on to ATC who established the air corridor diverting other aircraft, thence to Airservices Australia, and thence to the ADF (with an independent, slower route of notification via RNZN).

I previously intimated that the lack of a detailed analysis (as opposed to superficial bloviations from tabloid media and politicians) demonstrating how unprecedent and outrageous PLAN's conduct in the Tasman Sea was was rather suggestive, given that there are any number of actors who would appear motivated to make that analysis if it were indeed fruitful, and Admiral Barry's comments here only reinforce that suspicion. Also very noticeable is the silence from USN on the subject...
 
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KrissRobbyn

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Jacquie Lambie is one of the more recognisable faces in the Federal Parliament. Folks tend to like her even if they sometimes (or often) disagree with her because she doesn't come from the typical upper-class, private school-to-corporate lawyer pipeline that most politicians here do, and it shows. Before becoming a politician, she was an Army driver and MP. She's an independent Senator so there's no party apparatus pulling the strings. She calls things as she sees them, as in this case, and folks appreciate that authenticity.
Actually she never made it to MP, she broke herself prior to starting the training. Most Australians consider her a bit of a craz
y cat lady.
 

SanWenYu

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Another update on 107 group's progress. They're looping around bottom of South Australia now.

They weird thing is it's New Zealand navy that has ships shadowing them not RAN. I guess RAN didn't envision this scenario could happen and didn't have any assets available.
I wish that 107 Zunyi flotilla had passed through the Baas straight to show China's determination in protecting the China-Australia sea trade routes.
 

00CuriousObserver

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Another update on 107 group's progress. They're looping around bottom of South Australia now.

They weird thing is it's New Zealand navy that has ships shadowing them not RAN. I guess RAN didn't envision this scenario could happen and didn't have any assets available.

I think he updated the image. Don't think they went that far in a day


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jvodan

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Another update on 107 group's progress. They're looping around bottom of South Australia now.

They weird thing is it's New Zealand navy that has ships shadowing them not RAN. I guess RAN didn't envision this scenario could happen and didn't have any assets available.

New Zealand only has one active frigate it's other frigate is under going maintenance.

They also have two offshore patrol boats but they are laid up due to man power shortages

So basically New Zealand has sent the totally of it's active naval power out to follow the PLAN
 

Lethe

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Actually she never made it to MP, she broke herself prior to starting the training. Most Australians consider her a bit of a craz
y cat lady.

I can't speak to the details of her background, but a
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found that she is the most popular politician (by net favourability rating) in the federal parliament.
 
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KrissRobbyn

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New Zealand only has one active frigate it's other frigate is under going maintenance.

They also have two offshore patrol boats but they are laid up due to man power shortages

So basically New Zealand has sent the totally of it's active naval power out to follow the PLAN
Actually the Kiwi frigate was enroute to its scheduled tasking to be a component of Task Force 150. It was just diverted on its track to monitor the PLAN task group. Cheers.
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