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Lethe

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Australian ex-minister launches crowd-funded inquiry into Aukus submarine deal

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Outstanding.

Regards,

Reminder that this is the guy leading the AUKUS Public Inquiry:


(Really, Peter Garrett is great, as is Midnight Oil. I'm not sure how productive this inquiry can really be, but certainly both the Coalition and Labor have contrived to deprive Australians of the public debate that should attend a momentous decision such as the choice to acquire nuclear-powered submarines, let alone from the United States and the strategic implications of that.)
 
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Lethe

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Hugh White provides an insightful overview into AUKUS from both a capability and political perspective: I don't think any serious analytical work was done in defense to justify the decision to move to nuclear-powered boats and that really goes back to the point I made at the beginning: that in the end for the people involved it wasn't really about submarines.

A few comments:

I think White overstates the role of political calculation in Labor's ongoing support of AUKUS. The politics are certainly relevant, but at the end of the day the reason this Labor government continues to support AUKUS is because they support the political and strategic assumptions that produced it, even if not as universally, enthusiastically, or without reservation as the Liberal Party.

White's contrast between eight SSNs on the one hand, and two dozen SSKs on the other may be valid from an acquisition cost perspective, but the problem with large numbers of anything manned is always the manning. I suspect that a lower comparison ratio of perhaps 2:1 would be more suitable. The real differences emerge in the roles one envisions for the boats. If you want to lob cruise missiles at the Chinese mainland in Taiwan scenarios, conventional boats are going to struggle to be competitive owing to extended transit times reducing available time on station. If you want to maintain barrier operations across the northern approaches to Australia against encroaching warships and submarines, you will probably get a different result.

In retrospect, building the "Son of Collins" is clearly something we should've done, and that we should've commenced work on probably more than fifteen years ago -- whether as a complete next-generation solution in its own right, or as one element of a broader solution. Nonetheless, I'm not confident that Collins provides a suitable basis for future development starting today.
 
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RobertC

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...the problem with large numbers of anything manned is always the manning.
Australia's birth rate is among the lowest in the OECD, with a net reproduction rate of 0.71 against the 1.0 replacement rate.

Instead of pretending to be frightened of noises in the dark, Australia needs to establish maritime awareness and presence while minimizing manning levels. This can be achieved at reasonable cost with highly-automated, including AI-enabled, manned and unmanned surface craft supplemented by manned (P-8A Poseidon, E-7A Wedgetail) aircraft.

Sadly there are historical, institutional, political and economic factors that prevent an honest addressing of Australia's manning shortages which has resulted in the slow motion dissolution of Australia's maritime capabilities that we are seeing today.
 

Lethe

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Australia's birth rate is among the lowest in the OECD, with a net reproduction rate of 0.71 against the 1.0 replacement rate.

Australia also has one of the highest rates of immigration per capita of any country in the world. The net result is that Australia is projected to experience a greater rate of population increase per capita in the coming decades than just about any other nation that is at an even vaguely comparable level of development. Here is Australia in context with the rest of the Anglosphere, from UN World Population Prospects 2024, median projection series:

Anglosphere Rate of Population Change 2026-2056, UN-WPP-2024-Median.png

(The past was pretty similar: Since 1960 Australia's rate of population growth has consistently been comparable to or more often greater than that of Canada, and both have consistently been greater than that of the USA or UK. New Zealand bounces around all over the place. I imagine this is because, as much smaller nation, relatively small fluctations in absolute numbers have outsized per-capita effects.)
 
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RobertC

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Australia also has one of the highest rates of immigration per capita of any country in the world.
Completely concur. But I believe most of the immigrants either aren't allowed to join the civilian/military maritime-related workforce or are not interested in joining.

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Lethe

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We are talking of long-term demographic implications for the workforce. First generation immigrants some of whom lack full citizenship become second- and third-generation citizens. In the end they will all become fat and lazy Australians and some of them will even become fans and players of Australian Rules Football. The point is that Australia's population has grown proportionally faster than that of just about any other developed nation in recent decades, and projections suggest that this will continue to be the case for the foreseeable future, from ~19m in 2000 to ~28m today to ~38m by 2050.

That doesn't mean that finding enough e.g. submariners will be easy, but the challenges in that respect are a function of the internal social and economic settlement, of the choices we make as a society, rather than being particularly constrained by the iron hand of demography. Indeed, that remains broadly true even of those nations expected to experience shrinking and/or more acutely ageing populations -- the levers are at hand. Demography is destiny, but only at broad scales.
 
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