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JewPizza

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Then, there's the Domino Effect - Would the Philippines be next to host American nukes? What about Thailand? Malaysia? Indonesia? Vietnam? Palau? Papua New Guinea? India? Maldives?
Aren't you fearmongering a little too much. Besides maybe the Philippines and India, why would the rest of ASEAN host U.S. nukes. ASEAN has been clear that they are neutral and will play both sides(China and U.S.).
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Aren't you fearmongering a little too much. Besides maybe the Philippines and India, why would the rest of ASEAN host U.S. nukes. ASEAN has been clear that they are neutral and will play both sides(China and U.S.).
I'm not the one who is fearmongering. The US is the one who is fearmongering.

This is coupled with:
1. The notion since the Trump administration that tactical nukes can be used against China in case of an AR,
2. Urging by a US general that the US should include Taiwan under its nuclear umbrella some months ago, and
3. Increasing numbers in Washington DC who are seeing that it is possible for the US to win a nuclear war against China, and that the US should do so using Taiwan as a casus belli in order to crush and destroy China.

There is also the fact where Taiwan has been hosting US nukes as well during the First Cold War. It wasn't until 1972 when Nixon ordered the removal of American nukes from Taiwan in order to establish diplomatic relations with the PRC.
 
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JewPizza

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1. The notion since the Trump administration that tactical nukes can be used against China in case of an AR
I haven't heard of this. When I tried to look this up,
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shows up that goes against this idea. There's also
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which shows the Trump Admin threatening countries with nukes. China is not listed at all.
2. Urging by a US general that the US should include Taiwan under its nuclear umbrella some months ago
Can you give me a direct quote from a U.S. general stating that Taiwan would be under the U.S. nuclear umbrella?
The only thing I could find related to this is the
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(U.S. foreign policy thinktank) stating:
"Clarify the US commitment to defend Taiwan, including whether the US nuclear umbrella extends over Taiwan."
3. Increasing numbers in Washington DC who are seeing that it is possible for the US to win a nuclear war against China, and that the US should do so using Taiwan as a casus belli in order to crush and destroy China.
Again source? Also again, is an actual person in DC stating this or is it some thinktank.
There is also the fact where Taiwan has been hosting US nukes as well during the First Cold War. It wasn't until 1972 when Nixon ordered the removal of American nukes from Taiwan in order to establish diplomatic relations with the PRC.
Do you really think the U.S. can just sneak nukes into Taiwan without China knowing?
Anyway, you haven't given me a reason why you think ASEAN countries will host U.S. nukes beyond fearmongering.

Even one neighboring country hosting these sorts of weapons is a massive provocation. If it wasn't, why Cuban missile crisis?
The only countries in East Pacific under the U.S. nuclear umbrella to my knowledge is South Korea and Japan. Even though, I think SK and Japan don't have actual U.S. nukes on their soil. So it's a little different from the Cuban missile crisis where they were actual Soviet nukes on Cuba.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I mostly concur with what @JewPizza said on his post, especially on the notion that Taiwan can have a nuclear wweapons given by the U.S. and that PRC/PLA will simply allow this to materialize is something hard for me to accept nor understand.



Please @ACuriousPLAFan Explain
Man, you're response is a laughing emoji? Now you're being a straight up clown dude. You're the one getting your hair triggered with your usual chicken little routine that China is about to get X, Y, Z, by her enemies if it does not follow what you believe are the right course of actions either with their military budget, strategic posture, military procurements etc..

Asking you to explain or at least expound on the very laughable and imbecilic assertion that somehow Taiwan will get nuclear protection under the U.S. Umbrella as an insurance policy as a deterrence against a potential PLA attack either through a presidential decree from a law passed by US Congress signed by the US President or through executive order or a combination of both without proportional response from the PRC/PLA is in fact retarded. That declaration if passed and signed by any US President is as good as Taiwan being a defacto Independent country, thereby even incentivicing a declaration of Independence from the DPP or even the KMT IF CHINA DOES NOT TAKE ANY ACTION OTHER THAN THE USUAL MILITARY EXERCISE because it'll be pointless and toothless.

There's no more deterrent effect for the Taiwanese let alone other countries within and from without Asean countries that would interpret China's impotent response as that an impotent country who loves to bark loud but has no actual or afraid to take an actual bite.

What's next? US military bases in Taiwan? I mean why the heck not right? I mean, what's the pussy ass PRC going to do about it? Cry and whine again? Lob a few missiles over and across the Taiwan Straits?
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Man, you're response is a laughing emoji? Now you're being a straight up clown dude. You're the one getting your hair triggered with your usual chicken little routine that China is about to get X, Y, Z, by her enemies if it does not follow what you believe are the right course of actions either with their military budget, strategic posture, military procurements etc..

Asking you to explain or at least expound on the very laughable and imbecilic assertion that somehow Taiwan will get nuclear protection under the U.S. Umbrella as an insurance policy as a deterrence against a potential PLA attack either through a presidential decree from a law passed by US Congress signed by the US President or through executive order or a combination of both without proportional response from the PRC/PLA is in fact retarded. That declaration if passed and signed by any US President is as good as Taiwan being a defacto Independent country, thereby even incentivicing a declaration of Independence from the DPP or even the KMT IF CHINA DOES NOT TAKE ANY ACTION OTHER THAN THE USUAL MILITARY EXERCISE because it'll be pointless and toothless.

There's no more deterrent effect for the Taiwanese let alone other countries within and from without Asean countries that would interpret China's impotent response as that an impotent country who loves to bark loud but has no actual or afraid to take an actual bite.

What's next? US military bases in Taiwan? I mean why the heck not right? I mean, what's the pussy ass PRC going to do about it? Cry and whine again? Lob a few missiles over and across the Taiwan Straits?
Now, you're responding like @Janiz who does nothing but respond to every posts he likes and dislikes with a laughing emoji at the War in Ukraine thread.

It's obvious you don't think that my curiosity and question does not warrant a serious response from you and that's okay. I see now that you're not at all interested in giving your opinion on this matter so am going to leave it at that. We'll see how in the situation in Taiwan Straits unfold.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Now, you're responding like @Janiz who does nothing but respond to every posts he likes and dislikes with a laughing emoji at the War in Ukraine thread.

Lol. And, no, I will not respond to either him or you. Not interested in meaningless confrontation. Also because what is needed to be said has already being said. And because I'm fvcking tired of it.

Oh, and fun fact: The Philippines too have hosted American nukes before, and the previous Marcos administration knew about it.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Lol. And, no, I will not respond to either him or you. Not interested in meaningless confrontation. Also because what is needed to be said has already being said. And because I'm fvcking tired of it.

Oh, and fun fact: The Philippines too have hosted American nukes before, and the previous Marcos administration knew about it.
Context matter. What was China's comprehensive power at that time and what was their strategic approach admonished by then paramount leader Deng Xiaoping? Was it not hide your strength, bide your time. For you to conflate the time, conditions of China from the first Marcos regime to the current one is entirely idiotic not to mention disengenious.

I never imagined that you're going to use a line of argument that's so infantile as if you're having a disagreeable debate with an ignoramus.

I am well aware that I maybe and more likely than not to be wrong on many things especially on this particular topic which is why am humble and open minded enough to accept opinions and set of supporting facts that I am not aware of or never read before. But what am failing to understand is the need for condescending attitude because it's unnecessary, and just derails the whole point of this exercise of exchanging point of views that from time to time certain key elements and point of contentions will arise.
 
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