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nicky

Junior Member
early theory was exactly so: transfer of ships through a friendly in-between for both. with appropriate time gap (a year) to save face.

foreign minister lavrov at a press-conference today particularly stressed what had passed almost unnoticed yesterday: moscow consider this terrorist act as a casus belli.
since igil is not considered a legitimate state, the threat is explicitly directed to some state that moscow gives time before (military) punishment.
qatar and saudi come first in mind.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
early theory was exactly so: transfer of ships through a friendly in-between for both. with appropriate time gap (a year) to save face.
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The Russians are not going to be getting those vessels back.

They have been sold to Egypt and Egypt intend to integrate them fully into their military.

The Russians will realize the ability to sell the helicopters the have navalized and in fact have already announced their intent to do so.

In addition, cease the wild theories that Russia is about to attack Yemen or other places when it is clear that is not what Putin stated.

Short of specific, credible news reports announcing the sale of the ships to Russia, or the announcement of specific military attacks elsewhere, please stop continuing with pure inference posts here on SD. It is pure speculation.

SD is not a conspiracy theory forum. it is not a fan boy forum. It is not a wild eyed theory forum.

we are a professional Defense/Military forum and intend to keep it that way.

No problem asking about it...but when you get clear answers from seasoned posters here...let it drop unless and until you have, as I say, credible and sourced news articles announcing the sale or the military attacks.

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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Here is a random question - Just how good are modern fighter aircraft at withstanding enemy weapons fire?

Obviously a solid missile hit will kill most planes, but what about cannon and small arms fire?

I remember that during testing, the USAF actual shot a F22 with 20mm(?) cannon round, and it survived the test just fine (although I couldn't find any details on just how much damage was sustained if anyone has a good source).

As dedicated CAS birds are retired from service world wide, CAS is increasingly being taken by multi-role fast jets originally designed for air superiority.

I wish to know, as much as it is possible with open source material, just how much of a risk ground fire poses to these multi-role jets?
 

delft

Brigadier
Here is a random question - Just how good are modern fighter aircraft at withstanding enemy weapons fire?

Obviously a solid missile hit will kill most planes, but what about cannon and small arms fire?

I remember that during testing, the USAF actual shot a F22 with 20mm(?) cannon round, and it survived the test just fine (although I couldn't find any details on just how much damage was sustained if anyone has a good source).

As dedicated CAS birds are retired from service world wide, CAS is increasingly being taken by multi-role fast jets originally designed for air superiority.

I wish to know, as much as it is possible with open source material, just how much of a risk ground fire poses to these multi-role jets?
23 mm and 30 mm are more relevant. But I too would like to know to what extent designers take account of such fire and to what extent they are succeeding.
 

EdT586

Junior Member
Should the Royal Canadian Navy let Asian shipyards build their next generation of frigates like the Royal Navy ?
Taxpayers don't want to pay $3 billion for diesel propelled frigate ! ...LoL
A repeat of the Australian Navy's Hobart class fiasco in the making ?
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strehl

Junior Member
Registered Member
The "edit" function for posts doesn't work for me. I hit the "save changes" and nothing happens.
Also, how do you delete a post?
 
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